What I don't understand is why NV has to start all over. They have a very nice set of GPUs aimed at the mobile market (6800 Mobile anybody) and shouldn't be hard to transfer to the desktop market.
Thanks for clarifying that Kristopher. I've been seeking such a board for awhile, so you can imagine my surprise at seeing your comment implying they were available. I've sent e-mails to TUL & Powercolor and gotten no response, and asked NewEgg as well if they could get the product, but to no avail. I just can't understand why in the retail board market a integrated gfx solution, which is by definition a budget solution, is limited to only high-end (S939) CPUs.
I guess Gigabyte, MSI and ECS's product planners are much smarter than me. I know cheaper S939 processors are coming in 6 months or so, but in the mean time S754 RS480 boards seem necessary.
Well ATI xpress 200M is available from a long range of OEM and ODM's. Acer, ASUS, Mitac etc.
Its designed for notebook solutions, with low power consumption, and the only thing that I can see, that differentiate the two, is a low power wifi network controller and wifi security solution. That however can be supplied by thirdparty almost just as easily.
I find it highly unlikely that next gen xpress chipsets won't show up on notebooks.
"RS480 motherboards, more commonly dubbed Xpress 200, are primarily limited to Socket 754 Athlon 64 platforms, but some reference Socket 939 boards are also floating around."
Please tell me where I can buy such a thing. I can't find ANY Socket 754 RS480 boards at all; even ATI says only TUL (PowerColor) makes such boards, but I can't find those for sale anywhere either. There are plenty of Socket 939 RS480 boards available though; Newegg lists several.
Perhaps your statement is backwards? If not, please please tell me where to get a S754 RS480 board.
So RS600 and RS690 chipsets will have x700 igp and support MVP? and be in mass production come December 2005?
"A read between the lines".
Digitimes and anandtech seem to have a different view on RS482 supporting ATI MVP. Digitimes reporting that it will support MVP.
Also there seems to be two different variations of C51. Anyone care to guess what NV chip its based on? NV6200....but what would separate c51 on socket 938-k8 and 754 boards respectivly....64bit?
Would someone care to elaborate on what is meant by "The large difference between xpress 200 and Nvidia's new igp is the scope" I do not understand wherein the difference should persist, between the approach of ATI and NV's towards mobile Igp.
what's this talk about a second-generation MVP from ati when we've not yet seen the first generation? RD480 hasn't been released yet and already there's a successor in the works?
or maybe i've misunderstood... "multi VPU" - is this the ati alternative to sli, or what? i just hope its not just plain old hydraview as that doesn't even deserve mentioning.
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Zebo - Friday, June 3, 2005 - link
"Unfortunately, like most things ATI, OEM partners have told us that none of these 110nm chips will make their expected June ship date"Heehee :-)
johnsonx - Sunday, May 29, 2005 - link
BTW, for anyone who cares, NewEgg does now have one TuL RS480 board with S754 and integrated GFX:http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82...
It's not in stock right now, but they have two other TuL non-IGP Xpress200 boards in stock, so they are able to get TuL boards.
Now if only they could get the Micro-ATX version...
filterxg - Saturday, May 28, 2005 - link
What I don't understand is why NV has to start all over. They have a very nice set of GPUs aimed at the mobile market (6800 Mobile anybody) and shouldn't be hard to transfer to the desktop market.johnsonx - Saturday, May 28, 2005 - link
Thanks for clarifying that Kristopher. I've been seeking such a board for awhile, so you can imagine my surprise at seeing your comment implying they were available. I've sent e-mails to TUL & Powercolor and gotten no response, and asked NewEgg as well if they could get the product, but to no avail. I just can't understand why in the retail board market a integrated gfx solution, which is by definition a budget solution, is limited to only high-end (S939) CPUs.I guess Gigabyte, MSI and ECS's product planners are much smarter than me. I know cheaper S939 processors are coming in 6 months or so, but in the mean time S754 RS480 boards seem necessary.
Dancerd - Saturday, May 28, 2005 - link
Well ATI xpress 200M is available from a long range of OEM and ODM's. Acer, ASUS, Mitac etc.Its designed for notebook solutions, with low power consumption, and the only thing that I can see, that differentiate the two, is a low power wifi network controller and wifi security solution. That however can be supplied by thirdparty almost just as easily.
I find it highly unlikely that next gen xpress chipsets won't show up on notebooks.
KristopherKubicki - Friday, May 27, 2005 - link
Visual: Unfortunately I can't talk about RD480 so you'll have to read between the lines.Dancerd: Digitimes is wrong, as usual. "RD" chipsets are the only ones supporting SLI.
Furthermore, NVIDIA's IGP will end up being something like Centrino for mobility. ATI's won't show up on notebooks.
johnsonx: There was one by ASUS but it seems like it has come and gone. The majority of S754 RS480 boards I was thinking of are in Gateway PCs.
Kristopher
johnsonx - Friday, May 27, 2005 - link
"RS480 motherboards, more commonly dubbed Xpress 200, are primarily limited to Socket 754 Athlon 64 platforms, but some reference Socket 939 boards are also floating around."Please tell me where I can buy such a thing. I can't find ANY Socket 754 RS480 boards at all; even ATI says only TUL (PowerColor) makes such boards, but I can't find those for sale anywhere either. There are plenty of Socket 939 RS480 boards available though; Newegg lists several.
Perhaps your statement is backwards? If not, please please tell me where to get a S754 RS480 board.
bersl2 - Friday, May 27, 2005 - link
HDCP... *sigh*... they talk about it as though it were a feature...Dancerd - Friday, May 27, 2005 - link
So RS600 and RS690 chipsets will have x700 igp and support MVP? and be in mass production come December 2005?"A read between the lines".
Digitimes and anandtech seem to have a different view on RS482 supporting ATI MVP. Digitimes reporting that it will support MVP.
Also there seems to be two different variations of C51. Anyone care to guess what NV chip its based on? NV6200....but what would separate c51 on socket 938-k8 and 754 boards respectivly....64bit?
Would someone care to elaborate on what is meant by "The large difference between xpress 200 and Nvidia's new igp is the scope" I do not understand wherein the difference should persist, between the approach of ATI and NV's towards mobile Igp.
Visual - Friday, May 27, 2005 - link
what's this talk about a second-generation MVP from ati when we've not yet seen the first generation? RD480 hasn't been released yet and already there's a successor in the works?or maybe i've misunderstood... "multi VPU" - is this the ati alternative to sli, or what? i just hope its not just plain old hydraview as that doesn't even deserve mentioning.