Being a flipover type convertible, I would assume the higher capacity battery is a different chassis option rather than an external battery slice. Otherwise 'converting' the laptop to tablet would have the lid hit the underside of the battery and limit the angle it can open to.
The marketing picture, above, would assume otherwise. it features the laptop's keyboard folded behind the screen with the glorious battery info next to it. You never know... the slice(s) could be ultra thin. Nice machine either way.
Slice battery? That would _definitely_ be mentioned in the specs. The battery is internal. Making an ultra-slim slice battery isn't feasible as it would either not be structurally sound or have a laughably low capacity. And again, this is a convertible - for a slice battery not to interfere with the chassis folding, it would need to be <2mm, likely even below 1. That's not happening.
I imagine it's all internal and one chassis (on something as low volume as this, two chassis sounds like a big drain): it's probably packaging & lithium battery density.
Where did you see that on the Verge? They mention two battery options when you customize, but not two models.
>Because these are business systems, HP offers other customization options as well. If you’re willing to forgo the 1kg weight for longer battery life, you can opt for a “performance” 56Wh battery that extends the run time from 16.5 hours in the default “lightweight” 38Wh battery to 24.5 hours.
That matches the spec sheet Anandtech posted here. An small internal 38Wh battery vs a large internal 56Wh battery.
Good question! This device checks so many boxes for me and then ... Whiskey Lake. Which means they needed adapters for the TB and WiFi6 support instead of the built in features of Ice Lake.
@drexnx: mind sending the links for the power efficiency tests? I've been looking for some data on that but haven't found any real reviews of Ice Lake yet.
Ice Lake gives you roughly 2x the graphics power of Whiskey and the previously mentioned TB3 and WiFi6 built into the chipset so the OEM doesn't need to use up space for custom chips to support those features. In theory that could give you more room for the battery.
I would also expect 10nm to be more thrifty on battery life than 14nm, but I haven't seen any concrete reviews. Dell's XPS 2-in-1 was the first Ice Lake product announced, but haven't seen any reviews for it.
Because HP is always months behind everyone else. It's odd but Dell seems to always be the first out the door with new gen parts. At least as far as tier 1 OEMs go.
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s.yu - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Now that I noticed HP's new logo looks as if it says "bp" I can't unsee it :(GreenReaper - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
The petrol-blue cover doesn't help!Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
dqnikon133 - Monday, September 23, 2019 - link
I only see 4 lines, and they didn't even bother to make them the same size and align properly!damianrobertjones - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Pictures of the batteries would be amazing. The slices on the old Elite/probooks were HUGE.edzieba - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Being a flipover type convertible, I would assume the higher capacity battery is a different chassis option rather than an external battery slice. Otherwise 'converting' the laptop to tablet would have the lid hit the underside of the battery and limit the angle it can open to.damianrobertjones - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
The marketing picture, above, would assume otherwise. it features the laptop's keyboard folded behind the screen with the glorious battery info next to it. You never know... the slice(s) could be ultra thin. Nice machine either way.Valantar - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Slice battery? That would _definitely_ be mentioned in the specs. The battery is internal. Making an ultra-slim slice battery isn't feasible as it would either not be structurally sound or have a laughably low capacity. And again, this is a convertible - for a slice battery not to interfere with the chassis folding, it would need to be <2mm, likely even below 1. That's not happening.ikjadoon - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
I imagine it's all internal and one chassis (on something as low volume as this, two chassis sounds like a big drain): it's probably packaging & lithium battery density.Dell fit a 78Whr battery into a thin-bezeled 16:9 14" laptop: https://youtu.be/lqSbt-lMqhQ?t=486
So the smaller battery probably just leaves empty space in the chassis.
damianrobertjones - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Yeah! The Verge stated that there's two models. My mistake!ikjadoon - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Where did you see that on the Verge? They mention two battery options when you customize, but not two models.>Because these are business systems, HP offers other customization options as well. If you’re willing to forgo the 1kg weight for longer battery life, you can opt for a “performance” 56Wh battery that extends the run time from 16.5 hours in the default “lightweight” 38Wh battery to 24.5 hours.
That matches the spec sheet Anandtech posted here. An small internal 38Wh battery vs a large internal 56Wh battery.
ToTTenTranz - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
If this is a premium device, why not Ice Lake?sorten - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Good question! This device checks so many boxes for me and then ... Whiskey Lake. Which means they needed adapters for the TB and WiFi6 support instead of the built in features of Ice Lake.drexnx - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
probably because despite Intel's best efforts, 14+++ is still better at everything than 10nm, most especially battery life.(and Comet Lake doesn't give any practical benefit in this TDP envelope)
sorten - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
@drexnx: mind sending the links for the power efficiency tests? I've been looking for some data on that but haven't found any real reviews of Ice Lake yet.drexnx - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
https://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-Comet-Lake-U-i...https://semiaccurate.com/2019/08/26/intels-comet-l...
note the misleading 25w Comet vs. 15w Whiskey comparisons
actually I can't find where I read about the battery life concerns on Ice Lake, so scratch that out.
but you're still getting Athena certification and 25 hours of battery life - so what's wrong with Whiskey?
sorten - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
Ice Lake gives you roughly 2x the graphics power of Whiskey and the previously mentioned TB3 and WiFi6 built into the chipset so the OEM doesn't need to use up space for custom chips to support those features. In theory that could give you more room for the battery.I would also expect 10nm to be more thrifty on battery life than 14nm, but I haven't seen any concrete reviews. Dell's XPS 2-in-1 was the first Ice Lake product announced, but haven't seen any reviews for it.
sorten - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
"and Comet Lake doesn't give any practical benefit in this TDP envelope"Other than LPDDR4x support and built-in WiFi6?
lmcd - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
LPDDR4x support is in both though?sorten - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
It's in both Ice Lake and Comet Lake (10th gen), but not in Whiskey Lake (8th gen).Samus - Saturday, September 21, 2019 - link
Because HP is always months behind everyone else. It's odd but Dell seems to always be the first out the door with new gen parts. At least as far as tier 1 OEMs go.aminmna - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
All these features yet no click buttons on the touchpad. Honestly, whoever started this awful design trend needs to be shot.Hulk - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
I agree 100%.hanselltc - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
this is probably gonna boost for like 10 seconds before settling to PL1 lolDug - Wednesday, September 18, 2019 - link
24.5 hrs battery life under normal conditions.2 hrs battery life when running chrome.