Alderwood and Nocona Woes; Intel Updates

by Kristopher Kubicki on 4/11/2004 1:08 AM EST
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  • raskren - Wednesday, April 14, 2004 - link

    Quote:

    "CRAMITPAL,

    Please list some of these "design and operational defects" for us naive sheep without a clue.

    Thank you."

    That's what I thought (no response). Either put up or shut up.
  • Viditor - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    Trog - "First, there's no market for either right now, so who cares?"

    Agreed on 925x, but Nocona could have a fairly large (relatively speaking) demand. The delay means that Dell must wait another quarter before offering 64/32-bit blade servers, and it allows Opteron to garner that much more market penetration...
  • TrogdorJW - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    Actually, bob, I think the Brag Generator is a lot closer to CRAM's posts. You might have better luck using that as the base. For example:

    <BRAG>
    Whoop! I'm ready! My imagination is a *goddamn* cancer and I'll pork it before it porks me! I've sired dipshits across Asia, I cook and *eat* my dead; *Yip, yip, YEEEEEEE!* I'm the Unshaven Thorn Tree of Hong Kong! I'll drive a mile so as not to walk a foot; I am a Crime Fighting Master Criminal! But YAH-HOOOO! let the gods bear witness! I'm *immune*! I communicate without *wires* or *strings*! I ran 'em out of Heaven and sold it to Hell for a *profit*! I pay no taxes!
    </BRAG>

    See, just swap the brag statements with Intel insults, and you're done! I would bet that if I created something like this, 99% of people wouldn't be able to tell the difference between the generated CRAM and the "real" one. Does that mean it passes the Turing test for (non) intelligence? :)
  • bobsmith1492 - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    heh... a CRAMITPAL generator! Not a bad idea... Check this site out for inspiration. (:
    http://www.elsewhere.org/cgi-bin/postmodern/
  • TrogdorJW - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    I'm seriously beginning to wonder whether or not CRAM is a real person. Honestly, I bet I could write a "CRAMITPAL" application that would just hit the new news and article posts on a website like AT and post the same drivel over and over. Not worth the effort for me, but maybe it would be for an AMD employee?

    All you have to do is randomly select about five to ten sentences that insult Intel and anyone that uses Intel processors. And of course you need to have Prescott called PressedShit, P4EE gets called the Enima Edition, a few lines about flamethrowers and sheep, and you're done.

    That might be a great assignment for a programming class. :) And to the guy that said CRAM "is usually intelligent".... what planet are you from? Point me to ONE intelligent CRAM post. I'm pretty sure they only exist in an alternate universe.

    Back to the subject of the 925X and Nocoma delays. First, there's no market for either right now, so who cares? The only people running Prescott 3.4 and P4EE 3.4 (and FX-51 and FX-53 for that matter) are hardware review sites. DDR2 and PCIe will fall into that same category for 2004, I think. I mean, AMD isn't even releasing PCIe support until the end of the year at earliest, I think, and DDR2 is further out. Intel is just prepping the market for the real rollout in 2005, I think.

    The same goes for Nocoma. Any coincidence that MS delays XP-64 and a few days later Intel delays Nocoma? Unlike the conspiracy theorists, though, I think it's MS delaying due to bugs and such, and Intel isn't going to release an IA-32e/AMD64 platform until XP-64 is released. They've states all along that they'll "have hardware when the software platform is ready", and so MS's delays just gives them more time to work on the hardware. Just my thoughts.
  • Anemone - Tuesday, April 13, 2004 - link

    And now I read that Intel is locking down overclocking to 12%. We've long known they've been not openly in favor of overclocking, even though their cpu's do it so well. But making their chipsets openly hostile to overclockers, that is not a good thing.

    I'll not argue how big this segment is, but you're welcome to if you like. I will say however there is a lot of high end pc stuff that sells pretty much exclusively to this set of people and that those people then wave the flag in forums on good equipment and bad. Making their lives difficult or your product hostile to them is not a very good idea. But Intel seems to be full of not so good ideas lately...

  • KristopherKubicki - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    Ha-ha.

    Specific timings are hard to find. You dont have many options.

    Kristopher
  • Phiro - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    He just meant they don't get as many free samples as non-registered from ram makers.
  • SUOrangeman - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    #15, Kristopher-

    Registered RAM is hard to find? TSK, TSK, TSK! I'll admint, it's not cheap. But that does not mean that it is hard to find.

    http://www.crucial.com/store/listmodule.asp?module...
  • GonzoDaGr8 - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    Has anyone ever noticed that CRAMITPAL seems to get in the first lick on topics that are against Intel and then dissapears? Almost never posting twice in the same thread? Odd stuff from an odd individual(Or kid, I'm guessing).
  • OldWiseOne - Monday, April 12, 2004 - link

    I think Cramitpal is an Iraqi Information Minister Wanna-be... just a thought.
  • Staples - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Looks like it is the 915 for me beucase DDR2 costs an arm and a leg.
  • jensend - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Sounds like the only new chipset Intel will put out before their revamped processor roadmaps and the migrations to PCI-E and DDR2 (both of which Intel wants to move immediately but very few people will see any reason to move to for at least a year) sort themselves out (timeframe - who knows?) which will be worth buying at all will be the revamped 855 for Dothan.
  • AlexWade - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Whats the big deal about Intel's problems? Okay, it seems to me Intel is trying to rush PCI-Express and these chipsets. But I think they are trying to rush them out the door to get the flaws out. Everyone knows none of the stuff it supports will be mainstream this year. So what if they are having problems? Talk to me next year if they are STILL having problems.
  • KristopherKubicki - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Yeah, Opteron is pretty cheap, but FX is cheaper in the long run if that is your plan (at least for socket 939). Opteron requires you to use registered memory which is expensive and hard to find :(

    Kristopher
  • newuser12 - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    looking at the realtime pricing I'd say opteron is cheaper....but i'd say tha while the opteron is a better server CPU the xeon is better if you are going fro desktop apps.......but then, just get a desktop CPU.....I would be interested to know what prices and 'apps' you are talking about.
  • Doop - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Intel is still competitive at most price points for both single and dual systems. 875 is a sweet chipset making an Intel 'system' more appealing than an Athlon/Opteron 'processor'.

    It's great to see AMD do well but for me an Opteron system is way too expensive and slow in my specific apps.

  • Anemone - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Hard to argue that something is definitely amiss in Intel land. The FX-53 is leaving them choking save when we consider HT, but HT isn't going to save that comparison much. DDR2 at $600 for a GB? Words don't even begin to say what a rotten sell that is. 925X to use only DDR2, and it doesn't even support 667 DDR2 which "might" give it some life. I think the delays are significant indicators of serious performance issues at Intel, or the lack thereof. Now I'm ok with that if they are going to be fixed, but by all appearances I'm not so sure they are really going FIX them till late in 04 or probably 05. If FX-55 with PCI-E and 939 comes before that, I think Intel's classic cash cow, the high end, is going to take a furious beating. The supposed "ramp up" isn't really happening, 939 is likely to be around long enough to give current users a dual core 64bit option in the future on the same socket, just no DDR2 option. But that's ok because DDR2 533 isn't really a future enabling option anyway, since you'd have to replace the mobo and memory to use the DDR2 that everyone will want which is 667 and 800 in 05.

    Aside from HT, Intel is sucking dust and looking like a mega billion dollar pathetic child. Worse, in 64 bit, that supposed "we'll do it for you later just wait" they may quite well lag even further behind the AMD option in terms of performance. Its not looking pretty at all.

    Mind you I'm not entirely pleased that either mfg has a good upgrade path much beyond a year from now, reusing old stuff is going to be impossible with the changeover to DDR2, but given that's true and the price premium for a given performance Intel charges, the flag is favoring AMD by a fairly large margin. Add to that, "delays in 925x due to performance issues" and gone is the classic "Intel chipsets are more durable" advantage. This is great news for AMD, but none of it seems to be good for the consumer after a year from now :(
  • raskren - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    CRAMITPAL,

    Please list some of these "design and operational defects" for us naive sheep without a clue.

    Thank you.
  • retrospooty - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    why is there no choice "d)" that includes choices b and c? :p

    LOL !

    I am assuming that if "B" is true, there is still a chance that he may develop into a decent human. :D
  • Superbike - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    CRAMITPAL is the anti-GUTB
  • wassup4u2 - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Curt, you're pretty smart. I read on INQ that Mircrosoft is pushing 64bit Windows back to December, at earliest. Interesting...
  • newuser12 - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    why is there no choice "d)" that includes choices b and c? :p
  • retrospooty - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    BTW, Curt... Don't bother with cram. He is either,

    a) On some payroll that tries to detract people from buying Intel by spreading whatever crap he can on the net.
    b) 12 years old
    or
    c) A complete waste of skin
  • Curt Oien - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    CRAMITPAL,

    It seems that most often you know what you are talking about and appear to be quite intelligent. But, you really come off like a disgruntled former employee of Intel or like you lost out on a business deal with them. You really seem bitter. Why let them have that power over you? It's not good for your health and they are not worth it.

    "Unfortunately, it also seems that Intel's Nocona (800FSB IA-32e processors) have also been delayed until Q3'04. x86-64 computing for Intel will have to wait a few more months it seems"
    Does this mean Microsoft will delay Win XP 64?
  • retrospooty - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    BAh... The delay won't hurt much, because its not going to be a big seller like the i865/875 was in the first place. No one even cares.

    Say you have a N/W CPU and i875 chipset and all the fixins. You will need to buy a DDR2 (expensive with no speed benefits yet) a new mobo for socket 775, a new video card (pci express) and of course a new CPU (which will run hotter than hell and give you no performance benefit)

    All of these purchases will not get you any better performance, except maybe the video card, but that is not due to PCI express, its due to a new gen of GPU's which can also be bought as AGP.

    Delay all they wan't it matters not. The i925 will be Intel's lowest volume since that Rambus crap they used to try and sell us. Possibly lower.
  • thatsright - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Ahhh the 'golden days' of the 875 Canterwood launch! Nearly a year ago when ABIT Launched their 875 offering, the IC7, no delays so got my board on time. But then again, there really weren't any new technologies being put on the IC7.

    What a useless post.
  • Pandaren - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    I doubt the delay in the 925X will matter all that much - the primary reason being the mediocre performance of first generation DDR2 memory.

    The 915 chipset is far more important IMO - an inexpensive socket 775/DDR platform will allow a faster transition to PCIe architecture systems.
  • CRAMITPAL - Sunday, April 11, 2004 - link

    Intel has so many problems they don't know rather to sh*t or wind their watch, so they continue to sh*t on their watch and the naive sheep who buy the crap they peddle WITHOUT InHell disclosing design and operational defects.

    They deserve every bit of misery they encounter on the road of life... Hopefully they are familiar with the axiom "what goes around, comes around".

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