I was thinking the same thing. The applications are limited because most SFF systems where a low profile card is required are unlike to have dual slot space available, especially OEM systems.
In LFF (low form factor) ATX cases this would be fine, though, such as HTPC cases with the footprint of typical AV equipment.
Not if you're willing to drop the performance somewhat. Drop clockspeeds down to hit that 50w target. Yes, that means it wouldn't be as quick as a stock 1050ti, but it would still be way beyond IGP performance levels.
nVidia doesn't allow OEMs to sell cards clocked below stock; and 25W is way more than you can get by just picking more efficient support chips. If possible at all, this'd also require heavy binning to build a line around the handful of most power efficient dies they got.
Buy one of those core i5 or i7 acer avanton, dell optiplex boxes (sandy, ivy brige) for less than 150 euro's, toss one of these in. Voila, ideal lan box, cheap gaming rig. Up to 1080p medium it'll run basically everything, some things even on ultra.
That's why i'm ordering one ... my lil girl wants her own computer, should be just fine to start her out.
2nd to last paragraph says, "NVIDIA’s GM107 GPU is based on the company’s latest Pascal architecture." I believe you mean NVIDIA's GP107 GPU. Otherwise I missed a major update to GM107 :)
Because it's optional, like every other low profile card sold: you either use the full-height bracket or the low profile bracket. That's how an option works.
No, in other cases I have seen manufacturers saying that the lp bracket is included. If they say optional they mean that it could be or (usually) could be not in the package. If it is not, you buy it as an extra accessory.
"Accessories Low Profile Bracket (*optional)" It does not say "not included" or "sold separately" or something like that. It is mentioned as an accessory that can be used optionally. I see it the same way as edzieba.
FINALLY! I built my HTPC into a Marantz CD player so the 750 TI is all I could use. Forza Horizon 3 proved it was getting a little long in the tooth.. thank fuck for MSI!
This is the best product announcement I've seen in the new GPU generation! Yes, it's still got some obvious disadvantages being a stupidly dual slot card, but half height is a good start and no external power connector is even better. I'd MUCH prefer a factory underclock to get it down to about 50W, but I'm tired of waiting for the industry to make a single slot, half height replacement for my GT 730 so this is probably the GPU I'll end up grabbing in early spring barring any potential 1040-like release from NV.
My HTPC is a few years old and has an i3 2300 with 16GB memory. If I get this new GTX 1050Ti, is this all I will need to get 4K playback? I can go over to the AVS forum and ask there, but I thought someone here might know. I have been looking at a few 4K TVs for BF, but basically put them on the back burner since my HTPC as currently configured won't do 4K.
Yes, it will be all you need! Even an ARM Soc embedded with the right hardware-accelerated decoding and encoding would do it, the 1050Ti just happens to check all the right boxes
Finally, I bought my little brother a Ivy i7 HP LP machine for 150NZ (about 120USD), and chucked an SSD in it but he was still stuck with the HD 4350 it came with because the only upgrade path was a GT 730 for a crazy cost.
Was waiting for a LP RX460 but this is even better.
Finally! I thought we wouldn't see a post-750 Ti low-profile card anytime soon. This is great news.
Contrary to what many people are suggesting in the comments, there're actually quite a few SFF systems that have room for dual-slot low-profile cards. Single-slot would be better, of course, but this is great news.
I think the "no external power connectors" thing is overrated, especially how easy it is to get an adapter or y connector to get it power. A lot of OEM pc's wont be able to deliver 75 watts on the PCIe connector because their motherboard wasnt built for it. A better design would be only pulling 30-45 watts on the motherboard with an external connector delivering the rest.
That is true about OEM systems. I've bumped into that problem with a few Dell Optiplex systems. Their spec sheets explicitly list the power limitations of the PCIe 16x slot as far lower than the industry standard of 75 watts. I've only seen it in a few small form factor desktop systems. IIRC the minitowers don't have that same limitation. Still, the industry really needs to hurry up with making graphics cards that need less power than 75 watts.
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olde94 - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
They should rather make a single slot cardSamus - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
I was thinking the same thing. The applications are limited because most SFF systems where a low profile card is required are unlike to have dual slot space available, especially OEM systems.In LFF (low form factor) ATX cases this would be fine, though, such as HTPC cases with the footprint of typical AV equipment.
doubledeej - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
Ditto. Single-slot is much more useful to me than low profile.Ariknowsbest - Saturday, November 26, 2016 - link
HIS RX 460 Slim-iCooler OC 4GB seems to be the first single slot card of this generation.Therandomness - Wednesday, November 30, 2016 - link
But it isn't low profile... You may as well go all the way or just not bother :Pbill.rookard - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
Exactly. Damn it, take it down to 50w, and make a half height one slot card. Is that too freaking difficult?RaichuPls - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
Reduce power consumption by 33% out of nowhere? Yes, it's pretty difficult.bill.rookard - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
Not if you're willing to drop the performance somewhat. Drop clockspeeds down to hit that 50w target. Yes, that means it wouldn't be as quick as a stock 1050ti, but it would still be way beyond IGP performance levels.aj654987 - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
yep it is a TI so a 1050 non ti might have been able to meet 50w.DanNeely - Thursday, January 12, 2017 - link
nVidia doesn't allow OEMs to sell cards clocked below stock; and 25W is way more than you can get by just picking more efficient support chips. If possible at all, this'd also require heavy binning to build a line around the handful of most power efficient dies they got.nathanddrews - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
LOL that was my first thought as well, but I don't care, I'm buying the **** out of this.beginner99 - Thursday, November 24, 2016 - link
Came here to say this.Calista - Saturday, November 26, 2016 - link
Why single slot? HP, Acer and Dell SFF systems all support dual-width cards. And I assume these are the prime candidates for these cards.aj654987 - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
Yeah every low profile SFF I remember seeing has supported dual width slots.kmi187 - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
Buy one of those core i5 or i7 acer avanton, dell optiplex boxes (sandy, ivy brige) for less than 150 euro's, toss one of these in. Voila, ideal lan box, cheap gaming rig. Up to 1080p medium it'll run basically everything, some things even on ultra.That's why i'm ordering one ... my lil girl wants her own computer, should be just fine to start her out.
iranterres - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
I think you could find those for even less than 150.MajGenRelativity - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
2nd to last paragraph says, "NVIDIA’s GM107 GPU is based on the company’s latest Pascal architecture." I believe you mean NVIDIA's GP107 GPU. Otherwise I missed a major update to GM107 :)gmbytes - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
website says Low Bracket optional...wtfedzieba - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
Because it's optional, like every other low profile card sold: you either use the full-height bracket or the low profile bracket. That's how an option works.yannigr2 - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
No, in other cases I have seen manufacturers saying that the lp bracket is included. If they say optional they mean that it could be or (usually) could be not in the package. If it is not, you buy it as an extra accessory.Death666Angel - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
"AccessoriesLow Profile Bracket (*optional)"
It does not say "not included" or "sold separately" or something like that. It is mentioned as an accessory that can be used optionally. I see it the same way as edzieba.
Samus - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
LOL that would be totally like MSI to not include the bracket that allows you to take advantage of the KEY FEATURE of this card.thomasrm - Tuesday, November 22, 2016 - link
Since the article seems to have omitted the product links, the half-height 1050 and 1050 Ti cards from MSI are:https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050...
https://www.msi.com/Graphics-card/GeForce-GTX-1050...
With stunningly similar box art.
tonyou - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
Finally! We've been waiting for this for a while now. This card is perfect for our dual slot low profile cases:ML06-E
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=568
ML09
http://www.silverstonetek.com/product.php?pid=653
Ro_Ja - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
Why are some cards that are supposed to be single-slot are so damn big?nedge2k - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
FINALLY! I built my HTPC into a Marantz CD player so the 750 TI is all I could use. Forza Horizon 3 proved it was getting a little long in the tooth.. thank fuck for MSI!nathanddrews - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
"which is required for Ultra HD Blu-ray playback"... IF there was a way to play back UHD Blu-ray on a PC...
Shadowmaster625 - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
It really worries me when none of the photos show the board with the proper bracket installed.BrokenCrayons - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
This is the best product announcement I've seen in the new GPU generation! Yes, it's still got some obvious disadvantages being a stupidly dual slot card, but half height is a good start and no external power connector is even better. I'd MUCH prefer a factory underclock to get it down to about 50W, but I'm tired of waiting for the industry to make a single slot, half height replacement for my GT 730 so this is probably the GPU I'll end up grabbing in early spring barring any potential 1040-like release from NV.nissefar - Thursday, November 24, 2016 - link
You could just mod the heatsink and downclock it? Then you would get what you want.xichael - Thursday, December 22, 2016 - link
You could go with an HD 7750. There were a few low-profile, single-slot models made with that GPU.meorah - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
so is the 1050 ever getting reviewed or should we wait until the next iteration is being hyped before anandtech reviews it?mikemcc - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
My HTPC is a few years old and has an i3 2300 with 16GB memory. If I get this new GTX 1050Ti, is this all I will need to get 4K playback? I can go over to the AVS forum and ask there, but I thought someone here might know. I have been looking at a few 4K TVs for BF, but basically put them on the back burner since my HTPC as currently configured won't do 4K.Rayb - Wednesday, November 23, 2016 - link
Yes, it will be all you need! Even an ARM Soc embedded with the right hardware-accelerated decoding and encoding would do it, the 1050Ti just happens to check all the right boxesbeginner99 - Thursday, November 24, 2016 - link
1050 Ti is overkill for what you want. Non-TI would be fine as well or Radeon RX 460.Danvelopment - Thursday, November 24, 2016 - link
Finally, I bought my little brother a Ivy i7 HP LP machine for 150NZ (about 120USD), and chucked an SSD in it but he was still stuck with the HD 4350 it came with because the only upgrade path was a GT 730 for a crazy cost.Was waiting for a LP RX460 but this is even better.
ruthan - Thursday, November 24, 2016 - link
Fanless one would be better.vladx - Thursday, November 24, 2016 - link
Fanless? LOL.yhselp - Sunday, November 27, 2016 - link
Finally! I thought we wouldn't see a post-750 Ti low-profile card anytime soon. This is great news.Contrary to what many people are suggesting in the comments, there're actually quite a few SFF systems that have room for dual-slot low-profile cards. Single-slot would be better, of course, but this is great news.
aj654987 - Monday, November 28, 2016 - link
I think the "no external power connectors" thing is overrated, especially how easy it is to get an adapter or y connector to get it power. A lot of OEM pc's wont be able to deliver 75 watts on the PCIe connector because their motherboard wasnt built for it. A better design would be only pulling 30-45 watts on the motherboard with an external connector delivering the rest.BrokenCrayons - Tuesday, November 29, 2016 - link
That is true about OEM systems. I've bumped into that problem with a few Dell Optiplex systems. Their spec sheets explicitly list the power limitations of the PCIe 16x slot as far lower than the industry standard of 75 watts. I've only seen it in a few small form factor desktop systems. IIRC the minitowers don't have that same limitation. Still, the industry really needs to hurry up with making graphics cards that need less power than 75 watts.