The critical question: will the 1080/1070 move the price/performance barrier forward? If so, by how much? With so much pent-up demand for FinFET GPUs, I fear that there will be quite a bit of price gouging in the first few months of sales. I hope I'm wrong.
Not sure about that. Based on the theoretical FP figures in the slides the 1070 is quite a bit slower than the 1080. There's more of a gap than usual, and it seems to suggest the 1070 performs somewhere between the 980 and 980Ti. Though at $380 that's still a good deal.
We'll have to wait for reviews to know for certain, but one of the slides suggest the 1080 is about 25% faster than the TitanX, or in other words the TitanX should have about 80% the FP performance of the 1080. But like you said they also mention that the 1070, which has 72% the FP performance of the 1080, outperforms the TitanX...
Maybe they were referring to different workloads, idk. But there seem to be a number of performance related inconsistencies in the slides that I haven't been able to figure out.
I'm guessing he meant the 1070 is faster than the Titan X when using the single pass stereo. He kept repeating "2x the performance and 3x the efficiency of the Titan X" for the 1080 just before he made the claim about the 1070.
That's a crappy comparison as the TitanX is a very poor value for its extreme cost. These cards need to be comared to the 980/970 in price and performance.
Multi-billion dollar development budget and the best Nvidia's marketing department could do is "1080", a name that will probably confuse customers, and a slide with a functionally unlabeled Y-Axis? Cmon man.
Sorry, but imho Tom deserves a public apology. He apparently forgot to cover his mike as he spoke to a colleague to queue the next presentation point, which led to the CEO's full-boss intimidation take down of the poor guy. The CEO's behavior was cringe-worthy, unprofessional and completely unnecessary. What an ass. I immediately lost interest (and part of my dinner) and killed the livestream. Nice job dummy.
When a CEO worth a billion dollars rides your front side during a live streamed product launch of a line that cost enough to "go to mars" it stops being banter and starts being "Please don't fire me." I don't how chewing out a subordinate seems like banter after a long delayed product launch from a company that doesn't have confident stock value. Tensions were high.
Hmmm let's see, 600 bucks for 1080 and 380 for 1070. Looking at the numbers, 1070 seems a bit weak compared to its big brother. Now it's AMD's turn to show us Polaris
To be honest I dont know where do you get those numbers. If you are simply doing the comparison for GFLOPS, 980 is 32% faster than 970 according to wikipedia. 1080 is 38% faster than 1070.
I was using kepler as a reference point since it was the last die shrink, it had similar price constraints working with a new process. And yeah i guess my head calculation had a bit too much rounding off, you're right.
Using Bench on this website, I compared a GTX780 to a GTX980 Ti + 25% (GTX1080 est.) The result is 2.17x faster. (ex. 30fps on GTX780 = 65fps on GTX1080)
The flagship nvidia cards have been 50% faster each gen on average between the last 4 generations. GTX1080 Ti should be 50% faster than a GTX980 Ti. It doesn't matter what is possible on the new node, they have targets during design that don't change without competition.
And before that he showed the slide where it was 20% faster than Titan X. The TDPs are 250w and 180w. It might deliver 2x performance in specific VR scenarios.
I just checked nvidias website. They show Tomb Raider at 1.75x faster than a GTX980. Witcher 3 1.66x faster. VR is 2.6x faster using a synthetic benchmark. It's fun to speculate, but none of us will know until the benchmarks are out. You are probably right about AMD, sadly.
GP100 is already in production.. Imperfect dies are already being saved back for the 1080Ti, i doubt we'll have to wait very long. 6 months at the most.
It's just logic. If 1080 is 25% faster than a 980Ti and that took 1 year, GP100 with 3584 CCs would be up to 40% faster once it's also overclocked and it'll take about a year to get here. If NV released a 3840 CC full fat chip 780Ti successor for $699, then 1080 for $599 looks really bad for anyone that has a decent GPU that's powerful enough to grind out over the next 12-15 months.
No doubt, 2560 CC 1080 with 1.733Ghz Boost and 2.11Ghz overclocking is impressive but that makes $700-750 GP100/102 EVEN more impressive in light of that!
Jen-Hsun Huang should think of more adjectives besides 'amazing'.
The simultaneous multi-projection seems pretty awesome for VR. If it has a similar output quality it seems to undercut AMD's focus on multi-GPU rendering for VR. I imagine they can still output to the various viewports at various resolutions (multi-res rendering). But it seems to me that the SMP method of correcting for lens distortion might allow for less accurate correction than the standard method (potentially) does. With SMP there are just 4 different projections per eye, each projection itself monolithic. But with the standard method it seems one should be able to correct as accurately as one wishes/has the information for. I have no idea what is done in practice, though. That's if I'm understanding the two methods correctly.
Oh the other thing I noticed is that, despite saying there can be up to 16 view ports at a time, Huang only proposed to use 8 of them for VR. What's the application for 16 then? A Light field HMD?
Seeing him on stage, I alway get this feeling that the next time he would ditch the whole biker thing and just go full awesome with green spandex, and a cape with nvidia logo on it. :|
Nvidia's home page is showing 1.7GHz as base clock, but in their presentation their sample was clocked at 2.1GHz on the stock cooler. If this is any potential indication, even though the 1070 is severely cut down, it might be able to make up for a lot of headroom with overclockability.
"Not mentioned: that all of the consoles are also based on AMD's GCN architecture"
Good then, that we have you to gleefully point that out. :p
"...they're going to want to focus on getting GTX 700 series users to upgrade"
So then, I'm guessing, the whole "power of 10“ twaddle was about performance/watt compared to what, Kepler?
Anyway, let's hope review samples are sent sooner rather than later. The benchies could be an interesting read. I myself am really looking forward to the 1080‘s Ti variant to replace my 780Ti.
Any chance you guys will do up an actual article(pipeline size is fine) on all of this? I tend to give live blogs a complete miss because they read like a Twitter feed, but there's clearly good data in here. A nice write up would be appreciated.
GTX1080 is 25% faster than GTX980 Ti. $599 is 13% more than $530. I guess that's a good deal? 250 watts vs 180 watts. I hope AMD competes this generation. I still remember the 9800 Pro from 2003. You can be great again guys...
I wonder if NVIDIA is intentionally restraining GTX10 performance, so that they can keep coming out with faster cards for the next several years. 16nm should give 3x the density of 28nm, and there's a new architecture here too. Why only +25%?!
They get an R&D budget and price, performance, efficiency targets. If the product sells well, they hit their targets. What's possible doesn't matter. It takes a world war or space race to see what that is.
TSMC's 16nm node offers roughly 2x the density of their 28nm, not 3x.
"Why only +25%?!" Because you're comparing GM200 to GP104, not GP100. What's the basis of your expectation that the performance increase be significantly greater than that?
The 2x process shrink, the supposed 17B transistors (double), and the new architecture. Shouldn't doubling the transistors give at least the performance of 2 of the old dies?
Where are you getting 17B transistors from? I haven't seen any official confirmation of transistor count yet, but based on it's die size early estimates placed GP104 at roughly 8B transistors, similar to GM200.
The MSRP for the 980Ti is still $650. It's a pretty good deal considering the performance increase,the new features, the lower TDP and significantly improved perf/w, and the fact that prices almost always drop below MSRP in the months following launch.
I guess, newegg has one for $530 after MIR. I'm waiting for the 1080 Ti since it lines up better with Intel Kaby Lake Q1 2017. It should be around 3.5x performance increase over my GTX680/2500k. I upgrade every 5 years or so when the stars align.
Watching the video of the event, it isn't entirely clear to me what the Founder's Edition is. It sounds like NVIDIAs reference design and cooler as opposed to cards from partners. Maybe they select the ones that are more overclockable for Founder's Editions -- not sure. I also read somewhere that they could (only) be ordered online.
Nvidia are getting close to charging triple what they used to traditinally. The GTX 1080 packs a medium-sized GPU and costs up to $599; whereas a few short years ago the 560 Ti - the premium mid-sized GPU - cost $249. How long are Nvidia going to delay big Pascal, and how much is it going to cost?! Jesus...
I don't know if it's an American thing, but I found him repeating himself constantly really irritating. It's like he's talking to a small child or someone really slow.
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Wreckage - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
I feel a great disturbance in the geForce, as if millions of voices suddenly cried out in joy, and quickly wanted to upgrade.Horza - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
/cringeLets hope the interesting info isn't completely drowned in marketing.
osxandwindows - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
For the gpu is small and full of performance.davegraham - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
interesting...no HBM2 memory.osxandwindows - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
HBM2 is coming in 2017dragonsqrrl - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
This is gp104, nothing surprisingThe_Admiral - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Shut Up And Take my Money!!!!111Stochastic - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
The critical question: will the 1080/1070 move the price/performance barrier forward? If so, by how much? With so much pent-up demand for FinFET GPUs, I fear that there will be quite a bit of price gouging in the first few months of sales. I hope I'm wrong.RaistlinZ - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
1070 > Titan X at an MSRP of $379.99. Pretty impressive.jjj - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
If they made that claim, it only stands in VR.dragonsqrrl - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Not sure about that. Based on the theoretical FP figures in the slides the 1070 is quite a bit slower than the 1080. There's more of a gap than usual, and it seems to suggest the 1070 performs somewhere between the 980 and 980Ti. Though at $380 that's still a good deal.Meteor2 - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
1070 has 72% of the FP performance of the 1080, so faster than Titan X -- and much cheaper.dragonsqrrl - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
We'll have to wait for reviews to know for certain, but one of the slides suggest the 1080 is about 25% faster than the TitanX, or in other words the TitanX should have about 80% the FP performance of the 1080. But like you said they also mention that the 1070, which has 72% the FP performance of the 1080, outperforms the TitanX...Maybe they were referring to different workloads, idk. But there seem to be a number of performance related inconsistencies in the slides that I haven't been able to figure out.
Yojimbo - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
I'm guessing he meant the 1070 is faster than the Titan X when using the single pass stereo. He kept repeating "2x the performance and 3x the efficiency of the Titan X" for the 1080 just before he made the claim about the 1070.Jumangi - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
That's a crappy comparison as the TitanX is a very poor value for its extreme cost. These cards need to be comared to the 980/970 in price and performance.Cygni - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Multi-billion dollar development budget and the best Nvidia's marketing department could do is "1080", a name that will probably confuse customers, and a slide with a functionally unlabeled Y-Axis? Cmon man.Stochastic - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
We live in a world with the Xbox "One" and Battlefield "1". Nothing surprises me anymore. At least we have the PS4K to look forward to.zaza - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
is Tom gonna get fired ?willis936 - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
I too want to know this.vladx - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Tom is Jen-Hsun Huang's best guy, can't fire your best software guy.mwallace - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Sorry, but imho Tom deserves a public apology. He apparently forgot to cover his mike as he spoke to a colleague to queue the next presentation point, which led to the CEO's full-boss intimidation take down of the poor guy. The CEO's behavior was cringe-worthy, unprofessional and completely unnecessary. What an ass. I immediately lost interest (and part of my dinner) and killed the livestream. Nice job dummy.Yojimbo - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
I agree that Huang overreacted, and unnecessarily publicly raked him over the coals a bit, but you certainly had a strong reaction to it.Meteor2 - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
That whole section was pretty funny. In the UK we call it 'banter' and it's a sign of mutual respect.willis936 - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
When a CEO worth a billion dollars rides your front side during a live streamed product launch of a line that cost enough to "go to mars" it stops being banter and starts being "Please don't fire me."I don't how chewing out a subordinate seems like banter after a long delayed product launch from a company that doesn't have confident stock value. Tensions were high.
jjj - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
OC versions at higher $$$ might means the vanilla ones are locked?xdesire - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Hmmm let's see, 600 bucks for 1080 and 380 for 1070. Looking at the numbers, 1070 seems a bit weak compared to its big brother. Now it's AMD's turn to show us Polarisxdesire - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
1070 seems a bit TOO weak i meanStrom- - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
1070 too weak? It's faster than the Titan X.lief1250 - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
1070 seems too slow for a cut down GP104.Usually the X80s are only around 20% faster than the X70s, this time they're 50% faster.
1070ti maybe?
revanchrist - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Maybe the performance numbers from Nvidia is based on 4K gaming. The much higher bandwidth of GDDR5X helps.lief1250 - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
GFLOPS aren't affected by resolution afaikantifocus - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
To be honest I dont know where do you get those numbers. If you are simply doing the comparison for GFLOPS, 980 is 32% faster than 970 according to wikipedia. 1080 is 38% faster than 1070.lief1250 - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
I was using kepler as a reference point since it was the last die shrink, it had similar price constraints working with a new process.And yeah i guess my head calculation had a bit too much rounding off, you're right.
Jrood89 - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
So the question is, 2 1070 SLI or 1 1080vladx - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Go for single unless you want to play VR games since 90FPS is not enough for that.Jrood89 - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Just 4k... My 780 is not enough and have been waiting for Pascal.vladx - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
That gonna be a huge upgrade, GTX 1080 should be about 5x faster. Enjoy xDexileUT - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Using Bench on this website, I compared a GTX780 to a GTX980 Ti + 25% (GTX1080 est.) The result is 2.17x faster. (ex. 30fps on GTX780 = 65fps on GTX1080)The flagship nvidia cards have been 50% faster each gen on average between the last 4 generations. GTX1080 Ti should be 50% faster than a GTX980 Ti. It doesn't matter what is possible on the new node, they have targets during design that don't change without competition.
vladx - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Jen Hsung said 1080 is 2x performance Titan X with 3x efficiency.exileUT - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
And before that he showed the slide where it was 20% faster than Titan X. The TDPs are 250w and 180w. It might deliver 2x performance in specific VR scenarios.vladx - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Still delivers like I said, VR is the future anyways. AMD will go below 15% until they release Vega to compete since Polaris 10 can't.exileUT - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
I just checked nvidias website. They show Tomb Raider at 1.75x faster than a GTX980. Witcher 3 1.66x faster. VR is 2.6x faster using a synthetic benchmark. It's fun to speculate, but none of us will know until the benchmarks are out. You are probably right about AMD, sadly.jasonelmore - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
How long is the 1080? The picture on the keynote shows a 14" long GPUdragonsqrrl - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
The stock PCB is 10.5", standardtr1age - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
The lack of cuda cores compared to the 980ti will it hit render performance?T1beriu - Sunday, May 8, 2016 - link
Probably not, but the lower number of cores will be compensated by the higher frequency.SirGCal - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
And now the wait for Ti and Titan's continues... Such a tease...dragonsqrrl - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
You might be waiting for a while...theMillen - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
my guess would be late q1 2017jasonelmore - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
GP100 is already in production.. Imperfect dies are already being saved back for the 1080Ti, i doubt we'll have to wait very long. 6 months at the most.exileUT - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
The last two Ti models released on average 7 months after the x80 model.Dug - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Why wait when it's as fast as 2 980's in SLI and is priced at $600?Once the Ti comes out, are you going to wait for the 1180?
RussianSensation - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
It's just logic. If 1080 is 25% faster than a 980Ti and that took 1 year, GP100 with 3584 CCs would be up to 40% faster once it's also overclocked and it'll take about a year to get here. If NV released a 3840 CC full fat chip 780Ti successor for $699, then 1080 for $599 looks really bad for anyone that has a decent GPU that's powerful enough to grind out over the next 12-15 months.No doubt, 2560 CC 1080 with 1.733Ghz Boost and 2.11Ghz overclocking is impressive but that makes $700-750 GP100/102 EVEN more impressive in light of that!
Yojimbo - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Jen-Hsun Huang should think of more adjectives besides 'amazing'.The simultaneous multi-projection seems pretty awesome for VR. If it has a similar output quality it seems to undercut AMD's focus on multi-GPU rendering for VR. I imagine they can still output to the various viewports at various resolutions (multi-res rendering). But it seems to me that the SMP method of correcting for lens distortion might allow for less accurate correction than the standard method (potentially) does. With SMP there are just 4 different projections per eye, each projection itself monolithic. But with the standard method it seems one should be able to correct as accurately as one wishes/has the information for. I have no idea what is done in practice, though. That's if I'm understanding the two methods correctly.
Yojimbo - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Oh the other thing I noticed is that, despite saying there can be up to 16 view ports at a time, Huang only proposed to use 8 of them for VR. What's the application for 16 then? A Light field HMD?D. Lister - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
VR probably incorporates two view ports simultaneously, so 2x8=16.Yojimbo - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
In his demonstration he showed 2x4 = 8.Mr Perfect - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Jen-Hsun will probably stop using"Amazing" when he no longer considers leather jackets business wear.D. Lister - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Seeing him on stage, I alway get this feeling that the next time he would ditch the whole biker thing and just go full awesome with green spandex, and a cape with nvidia logo on it. :|xaueious - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Nvidia's home page is showing 1.7GHz as base clock, but in their presentation their sample was clocked at 2.1GHz on the stock cooler. If this is any potential indication, even though the 1070 is severely cut down, it might be able to make up for a lot of headroom with overclockability.revanchrist - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Maybe they'll handpick the best overclockers to sell as founder's edition?vladx - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Yep, makes sense.D. Lister - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
"Not mentioned: that all of the consoles are also based on AMD's GCN architecture"Good then, that we have you to gleefully point that out. :p
"...they're going to want to focus on getting GTX 700 series users to upgrade"
So then, I'm guessing, the whole "power of 10“ twaddle was about performance/watt compared to what, Kepler?
Anyway, let's hope review samples are sent sooner rather than later. The benchies could be an interesting read. I myself am really looking forward to the 1080‘s Ti variant to replace my 780Ti.
Yojimbo - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
I think 'power of 10' meant the '10' in 1080.D. Lister - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Oh, I thought there was some math in there. :(Mr Perfect - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Any chance you guys will do up an actual article(pipeline size is fine) on all of this? I tend to give live blogs a complete miss because they read like a Twitter feed, but there's clearly good data in here. A nice write up would be appreciated.exileUT - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
GTX1080 is 25% faster than GTX980 Ti. $599 is 13% more than $530. I guess that's a good deal? 250 watts vs 180 watts. I hope AMD competes this generation. I still remember the 9800 Pro from 2003. You can be great again guys...AnnonymousCoward - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
I wonder if NVIDIA is intentionally restraining GTX10 performance, so that they can keep coming out with faster cards for the next several years. 16nm should give 3x the density of 28nm, and there's a new architecture here too. Why only +25%?!jasonelmore - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
because they must milk 16nm for a very very long time. HBM got ditched, the only thing holding these pascal cores back is memory bandwidth.dragonsqrrl - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
How was HBM ditched? HBM2 is going to be paired with AMD's upcoming 'big die' GPU (Vega 10), and is already shipping in the Tesla P100 (GP100).Based on the specs and estimated performance figures for GP104, I doubt it'll be bottlenecked much if at all by its available bandwidth with GDDR5X.
exileUT - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
They get an R&D budget and price, performance, efficiency targets. If the product sells well, they hit their targets. What's possible doesn't matter. It takes a world war or space race to see what that is.dragonsqrrl - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
TSMC's 16nm node offers roughly 2x the density of their 28nm, not 3x."Why only +25%?!"
Because you're comparing GM200 to GP104, not GP100. What's the basis of your expectation that the performance increase be significantly greater than that?
AnnonymousCoward - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
The 2x process shrink, the supposed 17B transistors (double), and the new architecture. Shouldn't doubling the transistors give at least the performance of 2 of the old dies?dragonsqrrl - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Where are you getting 17B transistors from? I haven't seen any official confirmation of transistor count yet, but based on it's die size early estimates placed GP104 at roughly 8B transistors, similar to GM200.paddytokey - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what is happening. Like with the 680, the 780 and the 980 ;)dragonsqrrl - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
The MSRP for the 980Ti is still $650. It's a pretty good deal considering the performance increase,the new features, the lower TDP and significantly improved perf/w, and the fact that prices almost always drop below MSRP in the months following launch.exileUT - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
I guess, newegg has one for $530 after MIR. I'm waiting for the 1080 Ti since it lines up better with Intel Kaby Lake Q1 2017. It should be around 3.5x performance increase over my GTX680/2500k. I upgrade every 5 years or so when the stars align.RussianSensation - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Kaby Lake is launching in Q3-4 2016. If you are getting 1080Ti/Vega HBM2, your best bet is Skylake-E $389 -- successor to i7-6800K Broadwell-E.lilkwarrior - Friday, May 6, 2016 - link
Being a 980TI SLI owner, it seems, as usual, to wait for 1080TIAshinjuka - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
#PowerOfTomjasonelmore - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
So what about Async Computer?tyger11 - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
I guess I'm missing it in the posts, but what's a "Founder's Edition" - just an overclocked version of the regular one?nyoungman - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Watching the video of the event, it isn't entirely clear to me what the Founder's Edition is. It sounds like NVIDIAs reference design and cooler as opposed to cards from partners. Maybe they select the ones that are more overclockable for Founder's Editions -- not sure. I also read somewhere that they could (only) be ordered online.nyoungman - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
There is a recording of the event over on Twitch. It starts at about 27 minutes in:https://www.twitch.tv/nvidia/v/64989878
NVIDIA also posted their video introducing the 1080 which includes the specs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JUL6Gc2g4kg1
yhselp - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
Nvidia are getting close to charging triple what they used to traditinally. The GTX 1080 packs a medium-sized GPU and costs up to $599; whereas a few short years ago the 560 Ti - the premium mid-sized GPU - cost $249. How long are Nvidia going to delay big Pascal, and how much is it going to cost?! Jesus...Where are you AMD. We need competition badly.
yhselp - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
edit: $699*D. Lister - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
The 1080 is in the same tier as the 580, which had 3 billion transistors and came with 1.5GB VRAM and was released in 2010 for $499.Meteor2 - Saturday, May 7, 2016 - link
I found the statement 'can play all available games at maximum detail at more than 60 FPS' pretty compelling.Mattly - Monday, May 9, 2016 - link
I don't know if it's an American thing, but I found him repeating himself constantly really irritating. It's like he's talking to a small child or someone really slow.Hrel - Monday, May 9, 2016 - link
I wonder if the GTX 1070 is actually a 5.5GF card with 6.5GB of RAM and marketing just didn't get the memo again... or something.