Qualcomm Announces Snapdragon 8 Gen 1: Flagship SoC for 2022 Devicesby Andrei Frumusanu on November 30, 2021 6:00 PM EST
Massive ISP Upgrades
I’ve been hearing for some time now that 2022 flagships will have massive camera upgrades, and the new features of the next-gen SoCs being described by MediaTek and now also Qualcomm explain why that is.
The new ISP of the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 falls under a new marketing name – “Snapdragon Sight”, and includes large improvements of the capabilities of the IP blocks within the image processing chain.
The big flagship feature being advertised is the fact that the new ISP is now capable of 18-bits of color depth per channel, up from the previous generation 14-bit ISP. While mobile image sensors nowadays still are barely 12-bit native in terms of their ADCs, the ushering of new HDR techniques such as staggered HDR capture, where exposures are immediately subsequent to each other on the sensor’s readout, means that new phones now are able to capture images a lot faster, recombining them into higher bit-depth results. Particularly here, the new 18-bit ISP pipeline now allows for three exposure HDR stacking off these new sensors.
The increased bit-depth should allow for an increase of 4 stops in dynamic range (or 2^4 = 16x the range), which greatly helps with very contrasting environments and challenging lighting situations. This is quite beyond any other camera solution right now, and being able to have this implemented in such a hardware fashion sort of blurs the line between traditional image capture techniques and the more software-defined computational photography methods of the last few years.
Indeed, the new ISP architecture seems to be very much a way to implement many of the existing computational photography techniques into fixed-function blocks: there’s a new neural-net controlled 3AA (auto-exposure, auto-focus, auto-white-balance) and face detection block, which sounds eerily similar to Google’s HDRnet implementations.
Night mode is also said to be vastly improved through a new multi-frame noise reduction and image stacking block, being able to now stack and align up to 30 images, and achieve also much finer detail this generation. Qualcomm here claims up to 5x better night mode shots.
Further improvements include a new distortion correction block that’s able to now also correct for chromatic aberrations, and a hardware video Bokeh engine, being able to operate at up to 4K video recording. Think of it as the same as the new Cinematic mode on the new A15 iPhones, but not only limited to 1080p.
Qualcomm notes that all the AI/ML/neural network features on the ISP are actually run and accelerated on the ISP itself, meaning that it is not offloaded onto the Hexagon dedicated ML processing blocks or the GPU.
Just as a note- Qualcomm’s 3.2Gigapixel/s throughput metric here seems low compared to the Dimensity 9000’s 9Gpixel/s, it’s possible that the companies are advertising very different metrics, with MediaTek advertising the throughput of lower-bit depth pixels coming from the image sensors per frame, while Qualcomm quoting the full bit depth pixel processing within the ISP itself.
In terms of video encoders and decoders, the new chip allows for 8K HDR recording now, but otherwise is seemingly on par with the Snapdragon 888 media blocks. Unfortunately, this also means no AV1 decoding this year yet again. Qualcomm isn’t part of the Alliance for Open Media consortium and instead is backing VVC/H.266 and EVC, however with AV1 being actively pushed by Google and YouTube, and seeing large adoptions such as by Netflix, it’s becoming questionable for Qualcomm to still not support the format in 2022 devices.
AI Performance - Iterative, but solid
Last year’s Hexagon IP block was a very large change for the Snapdragon 888. At the time, Qualcomm moved on from a more segregated DSP/AI architecture to a single more fused-together block being able to operate on scalar, vector, and tensor operations at the same time. This year’s iteration is an improvement of that larger change. Qualcomm notes that amongst many changes, they’ve doubled up on the shared memory of the block, allowing for greater performance for larger ML models (which are growing at a very fast pace).
Qualcomm didn’t note any TOPS figures this time around, instead stating we’re seeing 2x the tensor throughput performance, and smaller increases for scalar and vector processing. They do quote a day-1 to day-1 performance increase of 4x when compared to the Snapdragon 888, via a combination of both hardware and software improvements, but of course that figure is smaller when comparing both platforms on an equal software footing.
Power efficiency for AI workloads is said to be 70% better this generation, which is actually more significant, and should help with more demanding sustained ML workloads.
X65 Modem Integrated
In terms of connectivity, the Snapdragon 8 Gen 1 is quite straightforward, as it integrates the X65 modem IP that Qualcomm had already announced as a discrete model earlier this year.
The improvements here are the fact that it’s a 3GPP Release 16 compatible modem, including new features such as uplink carrier aggregation. Other improvements are 300MHz of Sub-6 bandwidth on 3 100MHz carriers, and an increase of the mmWave bandwidth from 800 MHz to 1000MHz, allowing a new peak theoretical downlink speeds of 10Gbps.
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mode_13h - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link> Sure, you can have fun with HDR stacking to average out noise...but 8-bits worth?
They take each image with different exposure values and weight/threshold them when stacking.
casteve - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - linkGreat, maybe they can clean up the least bits on the 12-bit ADC and have a couple more wiggle for posterity. 18-bits...doubtful.
Kamen Rider Blade - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - linkBut how many years of OS / Security support will the device that houses these SoC's have?
mode_13h - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - linkHey, at least it's ARMv9. That'll at least have more potential for long-term support than ARMv8 devices.
Kangal - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - linkYou're right about that.
But I actually think performance is going to regress next year. ARM's projection has always been optimistic, and this time it was lower than expected, and they based it on better node with more cache.
This is going to be a QSD 801/805 vs QSD 808/810 fiasco again. Especially due to Qualcomm pushing the voltage to the throttling limits.
The Gen2/2023 will probably use much more advanced and efficient ARM cores. And the node will probably mature then, to bring Samsung/TSMC close to each other. I also think by then, the Android software will get a bit more optimised.
These small advances will come together, like in 2016, when Android 6 and QSD 821 phones were running circles around Android 5 and QSD 810 phones. Example, ZTE Axon 7 versus HTC One M9.
TheinsanegamerN - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - linkI'm excited to see the successor to the positively neanderthal (at this point) A55 cores. Hopefully the A510 brings some much needed updates to low power and we can move more daily tasks to the smaller cores. The A710 and X2 will hopefully solve the massive power drain issues the 888 had.
Nicon0s - Wednesday, December 1, 2021 - link"The A710 and X2 will hopefully solve the massive power drain issues the 888 had."
SD 888's heat problems were because of the GPU not the CPU. I don't think the CPU was any less efficient than the one in the SD 865.
iphonebestgamephone - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - linkCheck the spec scores on anandtech, it was indeed less efficient, both the x1 and the a78 cores.
Kangal - Thursday, December 2, 2021 - linkThat's not true.
It throttles hard doing CPU-intensive tasks. I found the GPU fairly efficient tbh. Overall, the QSD 865 was inefficient and a let down due to throttling, and Qualcomm merely doubled-down on that for the QSD 888+
The QSD 870 is decent. The best news this year was actually the QSD 778/780 chipsets, which offered performance rivalling the flagships at a fraction of the cost to the OEMs and Consumers.
Fulljack - Sunday, December 12, 2021 - linkhow is SD870 decent yet SD865 are "inefficient and let down" when both are the exact same chip just binned differently?