AMD Threadripper Processors & Cooler Compatibility

In the case of AMD’s Threadripper processors, it is the third part of the CPU/Cooler arrangement that causes concerns, i.e. the coolers themselves. As we mentioned earlier, one of the major factors that affects the thermal resistance of each individual part is the cross-sectional contact area. As an extreme example, even if we could devise an ideal cooling body that has zero thermal resistance to place upon a copper contact plate, it would be ineffective if the contact plate is reduced to the size of a pinhead.

In the above figure, we split a cooler into two parts for a quick, simplified model. The first part is the contact plate and the second is the rest of the cooler. In that case, the cooler’s thermal resistance (R3) is split into two individual resistances (Rcp and Rc). If nothing were to change from before, R3 would be equal to Rcp + Rc. However, via simple math and considering heat conduction via air to be negligible, it can be derived that reducing the cross-sectional surface area of the contact plate will significantly increase its absolute thermal resistance and, in turn, the thermal resistance of the entire arrangement.

Consequently, assuming that we have the exact same CPU, lid, and cooling body, an undersized cooler’s contact plate that does not make full contact with the lid will significantly increase the thermal resistance of the whole arrangement. Furthermore, no matter how good absolute thermal resistance the cooler’s main body may have, even if we were to consider a hypothetical ideal cooler with no thermal resistance at all, the rest of the resistances are still being added to the sum that governs the total thermal conductance of the arrangement. The high thermal resistance caused by an undersized contact plate cannot be easily countered, which is why the thermal conductance of the cooler itself needs to be very high, i.e. why AMD’s cooler recommendations are so over the top.

Our previous calculations are representative of the real-world phenomena but also were based on our greatly simplified assumptions, assuming uniform heat transfer and one-dimensional conduction. A trained engineer easily realizes that real-world issues with coolers that are making only partial contact with a CPU’s lid are numerous and that they extend far beyond simple everyday thermal performance. For example, the absolute thermal resistance between the CPU dies that lie away from where the cooler is contacting the lid and the cooler’s base is manyfold greater. That is because the two primary geometric factors that affect thermal resistance, the length of the material in parallel to the heat flow and it's the cross-sectional contact area, are now greatly different.

The above figure displays two cases. In the bottom case, the contact plate of the cooler is not sufficiently large to cover the entire CPU lid, leaving part of the CPU’s dies outside the “effective” heat transfer cross-sections. This does not mean that the rest of the die does not receive any cooling - the CPU's lid will keep absorbing energy from the whole die, but the heat flow ceases to be simple one-dimensional and the distribution will not be uniform, resulting to higher temperatures near the edges of the lid and, in extend, the outermost parts of the die.

The top case is a more extreme example and assumes that a die will be left entirely outside the surface where the cooler's contact plate will be. In this case, there is no “effective” heat transfer cross-section at all and it is practically impossible to properly cool the device. Again, simplifying and solving the problem as one-dimensional is possible by splitting the process into numerous steps and taking one step at the time. We skip most of these steps and go right to the important one. As it can be seen in the above figure, the thermal resistance of the "pathway" created between the die and the contact plate is being added to the total absolute thermal resistance of the arrangement. However, the cross-sectional area of this "pathway" is very small because the thickness of the lid is comparatively tiny. This results to a massively high resistance (Rp) that will be added to the sum and cannot be effectively countered no matter how good the cooler may be.

The above two examples show that any die which is partially covered or, far worse, not covered at all by the cooler’s contact surface, may be prone to overheating and reliability issues, even if the processor’s central dies are being cooled properly, and regardless of the cooler's capabilities.

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  • Ryan Smith - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    To clarify, the title of page 2 is a bit of humor. E. isn't a doctor (though Ian is).
  • LordanSS - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Thank you for the article. It was a good read with the thermodynamics explanation as well.
  • fackamato - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    What are the decibels during load for each cooler/rpm?
  • Valantar - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    A fascinating read. Now for the follow-up: an article where you test sticking two 212 Evos side by side on a Threadripper. That should cover most of the IHS, no?
  • LanceLLandon - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    My preference is Peltier air cooling. By cooling a processor slightly frozen less thermal noise is generated and less miscalculations are performed. Perhaps this is more important for studio Sound Recording and Mixing/Editing or Movie Video Editing or for Work Station performance. If I am going to all the trouble to build a multi core computer I will also so go to the trouble of cooling it far more effectively.
  • MrSpadge - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    A Peltier cooler will help you with extreme OC, if sized properly, but apart from that will only increase your energy consumption significantly. If you want lower temperatures go for chilled water, that's far more efficient. But you absolutely don't need that. Otherwise all the servers in data centers, DELL shops etc. would have to be constructed differently. And if you really want to reduce the chance of calculation errors beyond the manufacturer specification, simply drop the CPU clock by 100 MHz.

    BTW: are you using ECC RAM? Not that I'm recommending it for home computers, but if not you're definitely overshooting with that Peltier and should care for more probable points of failure first.
  • Crazyeyeskillah - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Water or GTFO.
  • master381 - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Nice article!

    A question - on Page 3, is this supposed to read " absolute thermal resistance of the cooler itself needs to be very *low,*" instead of high?

    Excerpt:
    "The high thermal resistance caused by an undersized contact plate cannot be easily countered, which is why the absolute thermal resistance of the cooler itself needs to be very high, i.e. why AMD’s cooler recommendations are so over the top."
  • Ryan Smith - Thursday, March 15, 2018 - link

    That was meant to read "thermal conductance". Thanks!
  • zodiacfml - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    The conclusion I can get from here is that desktop CPU with around 90W TDP can also benefit from the larger surface area, considering the differences in temps at idle of the TR chip.

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