AMD Threadripper Processors & Cooler Compatibility

In the case of AMD’s Threadripper processors, it is the third part of the CPU/Cooler arrangement that causes concerns, i.e. the coolers themselves. As we mentioned earlier, one of the major factors that affects the thermal resistance of each individual part is the cross-sectional contact area. As an extreme example, even if we could devise an ideal cooling body that has zero thermal resistance to place upon a copper contact plate, it would be ineffective if the contact plate is reduced to the size of a pinhead.

In the above figure, we split a cooler into two parts for a quick, simplified model. The first part is the contact plate and the second is the rest of the cooler. In that case, the cooler’s thermal resistance (R3) is split into two individual resistances (Rcp and Rc). If nothing were to change from before, R3 would be equal to Rcp + Rc. However, via simple math and considering heat conduction via air to be negligible, it can be derived that reducing the cross-sectional surface area of the contact plate will significantly increase its absolute thermal resistance and, in turn, the thermal resistance of the entire arrangement.

Consequently, assuming that we have the exact same CPU, lid, and cooling body, an undersized cooler’s contact plate that does not make full contact with the lid will significantly increase the thermal resistance of the whole arrangement. Furthermore, no matter how good absolute thermal resistance the cooler’s main body may have, even if we were to consider a hypothetical ideal cooler with no thermal resistance at all, the rest of the resistances are still being added to the sum that governs the total thermal conductance of the arrangement. The high thermal resistance caused by an undersized contact plate cannot be easily countered, which is why the thermal conductance of the cooler itself needs to be very high, i.e. why AMD’s cooler recommendations are so over the top.

Our previous calculations are representative of the real-world phenomena but also were based on our greatly simplified assumptions, assuming uniform heat transfer and one-dimensional conduction. A trained engineer easily realizes that real-world issues with coolers that are making only partial contact with a CPU’s lid are numerous and that they extend far beyond simple everyday thermal performance. For example, the absolute thermal resistance between the CPU dies that lie away from where the cooler is contacting the lid and the cooler’s base is manyfold greater. That is because the two primary geometric factors that affect thermal resistance, the length of the material in parallel to the heat flow and it's the cross-sectional contact area, are now greatly different.

The above figure displays two cases. In the bottom case, the contact plate of the cooler is not sufficiently large to cover the entire CPU lid, leaving part of the CPU’s dies outside the “effective” heat transfer cross-sections. This does not mean that the rest of the die does not receive any cooling - the CPU's lid will keep absorbing energy from the whole die, but the heat flow ceases to be simple one-dimensional and the distribution will not be uniform, resulting to higher temperatures near the edges of the lid and, in extend, the outermost parts of the die.

The top case is a more extreme example and assumes that a die will be left entirely outside the surface where the cooler's contact plate will be. In this case, there is no “effective” heat transfer cross-section at all and it is practically impossible to properly cool the device. Again, simplifying and solving the problem as one-dimensional is possible by splitting the process into numerous steps and taking one step at the time. We skip most of these steps and go right to the important one. As it can be seen in the above figure, the thermal resistance of the "pathway" created between the die and the contact plate is being added to the total absolute thermal resistance of the arrangement. However, the cross-sectional area of this "pathway" is very small because the thickness of the lid is comparatively tiny. This results to a massively high resistance (Rp) that will be added to the sum and cannot be effectively countered no matter how good the cooler may be.

The above two examples show that any die which is partially covered or, far worse, not covered at all by the cooler’s contact surface, may be prone to overheating and reliability issues, even if the processor’s central dies are being cooled properly, and regardless of the cooler's capabilities.

Thermal Conductance 101 Getting Real: The Noctua NH-U14S & NH-U14S TR4-SP3
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  • FreckledTrout - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    'Cus it's all about that base, 'bout that base, no TIM..
  • mr_tawan - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Can you please give me some more mid.
  • Holliday75 - Friday, March 16, 2018 - link

    <15hz or nuttin.
  • Yurius - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Thnx for review, but IMHO final words and conclusion is bad. Max allowed temp for 1950x is 68 degrees (https://www.amd.com/en/products/cpu/amd-ryzen-thre... but measured delta in best case is 59 degrees! Yes, throttling temp is about 85C, but who knows how long TR will operate with temp higher then recommended.
  • E.Fyll - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Hello Yurius. That was my bad - it is not the delta over ambient but the temperature reported by the motherboard's sensor. I had forgotten to edit the graph's subtitle. So it's 59°C real, about 9°C below the throttling point.
  • Yurius - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Wow, that's big different, thnx for update. Nevertheless it's to close even in stock on top rate cooler and there is huge problem with VRM on X399 boards, so I think AMD recommendations make sense and fullcover that fits CPU and VRM is a great idea.
  • colonelclaw - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    That Noctua Threadripper cooler is a minor masterpiece of engineering. About 5 seconds after opening the box it came in, I had already forgotten about it's cost. Hell - even the box it comes in is beautifully made - a sure sign that you're dealing with a company that cares.
  • FreckledTrout - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    I have a NH-D15 on my Ryzen and felt the same way when it came in. The Noctua coolers are just well made.
  • tamalero - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Agree, not only that.. they also have the signed paper of the CEO thanking you for the purchase.

    Probably one of the best coolers I've bought, right there with the famous 212EVO from CoolerMaster.
  • Dr. Swag - Wednesday, March 14, 2018 - link

    Just out of curiosity, but what's your PhD in, Dr. Fylladitakis?

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