More DVICO Fusion5 Gold

Most of you are probably after a single piece of information: how does the Fusion5 fare in actual use? For the most part, the Fusion5 works as expected. Channel setup/acclimation is painful, but once you've found your favorite stations and/or become used to the new channel locations, everything works quite well. We had a ton of comments about difficulties with using the FusionHDTV software when we were using version 3.11, but we're glad that we can forget about most of the serious problems and simply recommend users upgrade to the latest 3.19.05 release (or perhaps even a newer version). However, there are still a few issues that remain that make this a less-than-perfect card.

The biggest issue is the user interface. Simply put, it is clunky. After scanning channels, deleting channels can only be done one at a time. It would be much more convenient to allow the user to select multiple channels using shift+click and/or ctrl+click functionality and delete groups of unwanted channels at once. (MyHD's software allows this and it is a much better solution.) Even with all of the channels properly configured, changing channels doesn't always work properly. This seems to be related to skipping encrypted channels, and certain stations seem to cause problems. If you use the "favorites" mode, most of the difficulties disappear. Besides, you don't really want to press "channel up/down" 20 times as you surf through shopping channels, do you?

One of the oddities with channels is changing between digital and analog modes. Channel 830-1 (83, subchannel 1) is the local HD broadcast of NBC, according to FusionHDTV. (It probably varies by cable provider and location, but that's not important.) While pressing "830" tunes into the channel when you're already watching another digital station, it doesn't work if you're in analog mode. Pressing the "Live" button on the remote switches between the various modes: analog, digital, or S-VIDEO. (If that doesn't make much sense to you, I'm in complete agreement. Let's just pretend "Live" is another word for "Input" or "Mode".) So, if you're watching an analog channel, you have to first press the Live button, wait for the card to tune to whatever digital station that you were on last, and then press 830. This is all basically unnecessary, since the actual channels are usually discrete (i.e. channel 83 will in most cases have either analog or digital content, but not both). It would be better to forget about switching between analog and digital modes manually - or at least make that an advanced option for those who want it.


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In previous versions of FusionHDTV, there was a relatively common occurrence of losing your channels. It happened at least twice during testing, but several days with the updated software has not managed to reproduce the error. (It is one of the major bugs that was supposed to be fixed with this update, so we're happy that they have apparently squashed this bug.) In 3.11, several error messages came up (shown above) and the software crashed. At that point, the only way to get FusionHDTV back up and running was to delete your channel list and rescan. The channel list is stored in the registry, under HKEY_Current_User\Software\DVICO. You might want to back that tree up, just in case, once you've configured all the channels the way you like. If you ever want to reinitialize FusionHDTV without reinstalling, deleting that tree from the registry also seems to do the trick.

Perhaps a more annoying problem is that there's no way to get TitanTV to tune in to digital cable channels automatically, so you'll have to schedule recordings for DTV channels manually. The onscreen Guide also doesn't work for me - it shows up blank - but this appears to be at least partly Comcast's fault. The FusionHDTV software is supposed to read the EPG information from the channel stream, but Comcast isn't including that in my area, as far as I can tell. (This was a problem on the MyHD as well, so that lends credence to the assumption that the local Comcast provider is to blame.)

One other issue is that we could not get the uninstall program to work in the normal manner. Using the Add/Remove Programs tool in the control panel, selecting DVICO FusionHDTV and then pressing the "Remove" button causes CPU usage to climb to 100%; memory usage climbs up well over 1GB, but the software remains installed. The solution is to relaunch the setup application and select uninstall from there. This may have been remedied in the latest release as well, but I haven't had a reason to uninstall the latest FusionHDTV build.

Despite the above issues, all is not lost. Analog TV reception was good, though not great. Viewing and recording analog channels worked without any hassle, and even in the older software version, we never encountered problems with the analog support. There is a quirk with analog recordings in that the FusionHDTV interface for playing files doesn't show anything but .TP files if you're in the fullscreen mode, and there's no way to open MPEG or AVI files without using a mouse. Remember how we said that the remote was pretty ugly anyway? You might seriously consider saving money by getting the "Lite" version of the card and investing in a quality wireless mouse. Another problem with our analog recordings is that they have a high-pitched noise. It seems to be an artifact of the encoding/recording process, and it really needs to be fixed. Anyway, the analog mode certainly isn't going to win over people looking for the best noise reduction, comb filtering, etc., but it will suffice for most people who want HD/QAM support first and decent analog support second.

The Fusion5 card is Windows MCE compliant, but only the analog and OTA DTV reception work with the Windows MCE interface. Given the issues with the FusionHDTV software, MCE seems like a great idea. The loss of QAM channels in MCE would be a problem, but you can still run the FusionHDTV software on MCE for occasions where QAM decoding is desired. Of course, you cannot run both the MCE application and FusionHDTV concurrently, as only one application has access to overlay mode at a time. If a large portion of your TV viewing is still analog channels, though, this card provides an interesting alternative to buying both an OTA HDTV tuner and a separate analog card. Or you could get a better quality analog card and simply use this card as a standard HDTV receiver, with or without the QAM support.

Another plus, relative to its main competitor, is the overlay mode. If you've ever wanted to do away with overscan on televisions (which occurs on both analog and digital TVs), piping the content through the graphics card will work. The video window can be scaled smoothly from whatever size you want up to the maximum resolution, and double-clicking the window or pressing the "Fullscreen" button on the remote serves as a quick shortcut. It seems like a small thing, but when you try some software that lacks this feature, you'll really miss it. The HD output in fullscreen mode looked pretty close to the quality of the output from the Comcast box, and with a bit of adjustment to the TV, it would be difficult to see the difference.

In the end, this card is something of an ugly duckling. (One has to wonder what Fusion 1 through 4 were like.) It started out with stability issues, periodic crashes, and lost channel lineups. Initially, I really wouldn't be able to recommend the card (unless the idea of paying to be a beta tester sounds like fun). However, the latest software release has turned this card into... well, certainly not a beautiful swan, but it's also no longer an ugly duckling. The UI is still less than stellar, but you can learn to live with it. There are positive and negative aspects, but it ends up being like an ornery old pet that you can't help but like. Image quality on the digital channels is as good as any other card that we've seen, and analog reception is acceptable as well. Configuring the recording options is slightly easier than on the MyHD, and at least that portion of the Fusion interface is superior from a usability standpoint. It's not perfect, by any means, but it might just be "good enough" if you're in the market for an all-in-one TV tuner.

DVICO Fusion5 Gold, Cont'd MyHD MDP-130
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  • 8steve8 - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    bottom line:

    if i want to watch/record hdtv channels like HBO and/or discover via a PC...
    im out of luck?


    those channels are not ota... are provided through a cable provider....

    i can do this once cable card finally comes around?
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    HBO and most other movie channels are encrypted. Funny enough, some of the on demand channels seem to be picked up. For instance channels 101-1, 101-2, 102-1, 102-2, and several subchannels on the physical channels 93 and 94 all showed what amounts to random content. Movies, cartoons, and yes, even porn. If you tuned in to one of the channels, sometimes you would see it going to fast-forward mode, like the person watching the content was skipping ahead.

    Cable card is supposed to allow you to view encrypted content on TVs as well as computers without a set-top box. Until I see it in actual use, though, I'm not exactly sure how it's going to work. I would assume it will just store an encrypted TP file, and the cable card will contain the decryption logic.
  • nullpointerus - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablecard">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cablecard

    I've been waiting for decent HTPC CableCard products for ~2 years now. They'll probably come out very late in 2006, achieve their intended interoperability sometime between the second and third generation of products, and become practically flawless around the same time that they become obsolete. That's just a guess, mind you...
  • Tujan - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    It was intriging because nobody has really compared the use of DIY HTPCs. With what limited parts are available.

    I wouldn't use a non-multicore processor for something dealing with HDPCs. Just the shear amount of graphics and screen space,the relative newcomer to its display of screen space,. The notorious 'switching between apps,and those running in the background,- much less using the PCI bus to do so.

    What I did miss out of this story,was a shot of a connected MYHD130 to its screen display. Kind of lost me there. With the connect ups to utilizing a screen,and the computers video card. See Im reading imagining toggling between user interface,remote,and what this means to the rigging of separate devices outside the computer itself.Caveat Emptor for/from them along side. And you mentioned that ATI was 'out-of-the-picture , for HDTV unless the components where hooked up. So to share that ATI graphics cards are not useful for the MYHD130.

    Would certainly make a wish list to the MYHD130 to put it onto the PCI-e lane.Get it off the PCI bus.

    As for those encrypted channels.Are you sure they would stay that way ? Think you could pick out your PPV (Pay-Per-view) channel from that list ? [ ]

    You mentioned your Monitor,that they have in common Overscan.I simply have the question included to involve just how a HTPC will correctly recognize a monitor (consider a 32 to 40" LCD TV) ,when most this involves the PNP feature Ive known for doing so.? [ ]

    ATI cards aren't any good with the DTV if using the DVI for/from them for the HD screens ? Think 32" to 42" LCD TVs here.[ ]

    - glad your doing the experimenting here.Good article.
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    LCD TVs shouldn't have a problem with overscan. Any rear projection displays will have overscan, and I believe all DLP have overscan as well. There are some good DLP displays that only have 1% overscan, though -- too bad they're really expensive.

    If you want a picture of what the MyHD looks like when connected, let me see about uploading one and I'll provide a link. This is with the DVI daughter card:

    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/multimedia/tvt...">DVI Passthru Image

    http://images.anandtech.com/reviews/multimedia/tvt...">VGA Passthru Image

    Hopefully that's clear - there's a lot of cable clutter, so I labeled the pertinent connections.
  • Tujan - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    Thanks for reply. Even though I know a lot,Im still a novice. Know a lot of the acronymns,but dealing with things marketed off the top just keeps me on to them for a limited span.

    The picture there,the top card is the video card,with the lower cards being the TV tuners then.Im thinkin that somehow your giving up a controlled connection to your display from the computer by using the MyHD130 ? Or it limits the 'out of your video card when you only would have a single hook up on the Display.[ ]
    - I will go to there site to look for more.

    Encryption ? [ ] Mean if you subscribe to HBO via your home cable line,HBO will not be able to be seen if utilizing the HTPC with the QAM/HD TV cards ?
    Certainly the situation would be averted for the configuration of the cable to Display(cable box to default display) - since (T,F) the Display has an encryption chip within it to do so,(1),or (2) Encryption is handled via the cable box. With everything else dealing with something of the HDCP,HDMI type scenarios.... The encryption mechanism has got to work somewhere in the final render at the Display. Certainly the Cable Company isn't selling me the Display.....
    Of course this is a whole nother anchalotta.
    I pretty much just look for the configuration compatibility in the input,output for the hookups.And if the software will work/..how difficult to navigate them.

    Thinking everythings hunky dory after a large investment ...Again thanks for reply.


  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    Decryption of the encrypted channels is handled by the cable box. The cable card standard will allow other devices to do that decryption -- basically, the key/algorithm will be stored on the cable card. Of course, that means you need to have a TV and or computer that has a cable card slot. Hopefully they'll make a USB adapter.
  • mariush - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    I'm a bit dissapointed that you have used Divx to test the analog recording. XViD would have probably been much faster, at least that's how it is on my computer.

    Also, I would probably either use XViD set to record with quantizer 1 (max quality) which takes about 6-10 MB/s at 768x576 25fps or I would use a lossless encoder such as HuffYUV (~12 MB/s at 768x576 25fps)
  • JarredWalton - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    The DivX codec is officially supported by the MyHD software. Xvid was far slower, and that holds in general, unless there is a special setting to get it to encode faster. All the real-time encoding has to be done through a VFW codec, and I couldn't find a fast codec to handle that. The DivX codec is also the only codec that allows you to resize the video content, at least as far as I could tell. Otherwise you end up with an incorrect aspect ratio, as seen on the top left picture on page 15.

    If you download the videos, you might feel that the DivX codec results in a loss of quality, even on the X2 system. That video sample is actually very close to what you see when watching live analog content with the MyHD card. At best, it's decent analog video. Just about any analog-only TV tuner will produce equal or better output.

    Back to the codecs, if you really want to get a decent compression, while not losing a lot of quality, I would recommend using a second PC or re-encoding the videos while your computer is sitting idle. You could do the same thing with the TP files, re-encoding them using the Xvid codec with a data rate of around 1 GB per hour and the target, resolution of 720 x 480 -- or perhaps go for 2/3 GB per hour and target a 1280x1024 resolution.

    One of the benefits of the DivX codec is that quite a few consumer-electronics devices now support it as well. I'm not aware of any DVD players that can handle Xvid.
  • xtknight - Wednesday, December 7, 2005 - link

    Sorry for the double post, but by the way, the program AVI.NET can encode xvid and divx for standalone players. That's the whole purpose of it: to use only the features standalone players support. I recommend you try it out.

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