System Review – PC-Club Silencer
by Jarred Walton on March 28, 2005 12:05 AM EST- Posted in
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Conclusion
As a high-end but near-silent system, we really like the Silencer. Performance in some tasks is going to be hindered by the Pentium M processor, but overall, it manages to hold its own. The power savings are not particularly meaningful - think of running a single 60W light bulb for a year and you'll have a decent picture of the difference in power draw between the Pentium M and a Prescott or Newcastle - but the lower heat output is good. We had some issues with the Athenatech case, and perhaps similar complaints from customers are what prompted PC-Club to offer the Silencer with a CoolerMaster case as an option. Unless the LCD/alarm issues are fixed, we would have to recommend against using the Athenatech case. That's unfortunate, as we think it's an attractive case otherwise.Here's the real question: would we purchase such a system? There are two parts to our answer. First, let's take a look at all the components and see what they would cost if you were to buy them and build the system yourself. (Prices are obtained from our Real Time Pricing Engine as well as our various partners and represent what we would list in a typical Buyer's Guide article.)
Home Built Silencer Alternative | ||
Hardware | Component | Price |
Processor(s): | Pentium M 755J 2.0GHz | $435 |
CPU HSF: | Copper socket 478/479 compatible | $25 |
Motherboard: | Aopen i855GMEm-LFS | $233 |
Memory: | 2x512MB Mushkin CL2.5 | $100 |
Video Card: | eVGA 6800GT | $370 |
Video Card HSF: | Arctic Cooling Silencer | $35 |
Hard Drive: | Western Digital Raptor 74GB | $176 |
Hard Drive 2: | Maxtor 200GB SATA | $108 |
Optical Drive: | NEC DVD+RW 3520A | $61 |
Floppy Drive: | NEC; Sony; TEAC; Samsung; etc. | $8 |
Case: | Athenatech A106 | $63 |
Power Supply: | A+ GPB 450W | $75 |
Speakers: | Logitech X-530 5.1 | $56 |
Keyboard and Mouse: | Logitech Optical Desktop Combo | $156 |
Operating System: | Windows XP Professional SP2 | $140 |
Bottom Line: | $2041 | |
PC-Club Price (as of 3/24/05) - not including tax! | $2150 |
Looking at that chart, you can see that PC-Club is essentially charging you $100 (give or take) to assemble and test the equipment for you. That's actually a very reasonable price, as many shops will charge a $100 fee (or more!) to assemble a PC for you, often not including the software installation. Unfortunately - according to how you view the situation - PC-Club will also charge you sales tax if you live in a state where they have retail locations. Taxes could add as much as $175, although you'd pay the same fee if you purchased locally (and technically you're supposed to pay sales tax regardless, although most people probably don't bother reporting online purchases). Still, if you don't like fiddling with computer hardware or feel your time is too valuable, we feel PC-Club offers an acceptable price.
There's more to it than just the price, of course. Pentium M desktops have an air of exclusivity that some may be willing to pay extra for. More importantly, the components in the Silencer are all industry standard designs, including the motherboard and power supply, and can you name any major OEMs that offer overclocking in their BIOS? If you're seriously thinking about getting a Dell (dude!) or other OEM system, PC-Club is definitely worth a look. For peace of mind, PC-Club also offers a 3-year extended warranty for an additional $210. Frequent upgraders probably wouldn't bother with such a long warranty, but those who only purchase a new PC when their current system is woefully outdated will appreciate such an option.
We did have some issues with the PC-Club system configurator. First, we'd just as soon ditch that and go with two 250GB drives instead, especially given the loud seek noise of the Raptors. (Update: this is now possible, so we've edited the text slightly.) Additional options for the GPU and speakers would also be good, as the X-530 are really budget speakers. The "Help Text" is also seriously outdated, mentioning such things as the difference between the GeForce 4Ti vs. 4MX, the Duron vs. Athlon XP, and SDRAM vs. RDRAM. It could certainly use an update to their 2005 product line.
The problem is the platform, really. Our Pentium M desktop articles covered this before, and the simple fact of the matter is that as attractive as Dothan is for notebooks, it really doesn't compete that well in the desktop market. The motherboards are currently far more expensive than boards with desktop chipsets, and the processors aren't cheap either. We like the overall package, but the price is simply too much.
Our suggestion to PC-Club is to offer a version of the Silencer with a few changes. Swap out the Aopen 855 motherboard for the new MSI RS480M2-IL with the ATI Xpress 200 chipset. That's a micro-ATX board even, so it will still fit nicely in the Athenatech case. (Overclocking does not appear to be an option on that motherboard, unfortunately - at least not with the current BIOS.) Add an Athlon 64 3500+ 90nm processor - or wait for a faster 90nm Athlon 64 to appear - and a PCIe graphics card, and you should have similar heat and power characteristics with better performance, all while shaving about $250 from the price.
The other area where we see some potential for the Silencer is in the HTPC market. It's a reasonably quiet case, and with the ATI Xpress 200 chipset, we can get TV-Out from the integrated graphics. Take out the Raptor hard drive and put in two larger drives and a TV tuner, and you would have a formidable HTPC setup for a very reasonable cost. We'd certainly be interested in seeing such configurations from PC-Club in the near future! (PC-Club does offer a HTPC system with different components already, but we'd like to see more options.)
Our overall verdict is that while we would be more than happy to recommend PC-Club as a system builder - somewhat similar to Alienware or Falcon NW, although with less pizzazz and a lower price - we would have a hard time recommending the current version of the Silencer. It will certainly appeal to some people, but we would really like the ability to customize the system configuration a bit more. Check out their web site if you're looking for a pre-built system, however, as this is only one of numerous system configurations that they have to offer. If you give them a call, you can probably even get a customized PC built for a moderate fee.
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WooDaddy - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
Geez, Jarod... You sound like you absolutely hated the system. I think there was a little bias there... Most people who buy a full-blown system aren't as picky. I do agree with the LCD alarm issue. I had the same athenatech case and it would drive me nutz especially with the fact that sometimes my CPU fan would shutdown and the temperature alarm would go off.Also, I agree with #10 about the build cost. $100 is nothing to guarantee you have a working system. Also, the tax issue is moot as you'll have to pay shipping charges separately since those component prices listed aren't all at the same vendor.
I think you're doing a diservice to those who want a cool looking yet powerful system that isn't your typical Dell, Emachines system. They would be pretty satified with this.
Admit it. The system is good and the price is great considering it's prebuilt and tested. ADMIT IT, DAMMIT!!!
LoneWolf15 - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
Off topic, but I love my Fuji FinePix S5000 and disagree with the reviewers' assessment. Also, for web images you can set to ISO 800 (limited to 1MP resolution) if you need it, however at 200 and 400 film speeds I've had no issues with the quality of my pictures.michael2k - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
The conclusion was a tad baffling, regarding paying taxes.PC Club may charge you $175 in taxes, but if you bought the items yourself you can avoid paying $166 in taxes?
Anyway, $100 for assembling and testing is actually quite low; considering it is less than taxes, it's roughly 5% of the total cost.
On the other hand, you CAN get quieter and cheaper systems, if you are willing to trade off things here or there; perhaps a slower processor, in exchange for a better video card, or a smaller hard drive in exchange for a quieter one, etc.
EPAstor - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
I thought I should point out an inaccuracy - although quiet systems are generally not the focus of this site, 35dB for a fast system is far from unheard of, though it does take significant effort. Another review site, www.silentpcreview.com, focuses primarily on silence. Following some of the techniques there, it is certainly possible to achieve 35dB levels or lower, even while using a higher-end CPU such as an Athlon 64 and improving the cooling on the GPU.JarredWalton - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
AtaStrumf - did you like my "camera mini review"? I even purchased a few halogen lamps to see if increased light would help with the graininess. It didn't help at all. :(I'm working on getting a new camera, but first I need to take care of taxes. (I'm one of the "lucky" ones that will be paying the gov't rather than getting a return.)
AtaStrumf - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
Jarred you REALLY need a new digital camera because the ones in this and your previous articles are of extremely appalling quality. I can't believe that it is even possible for a camera like that to produce such low quality images.May I suggest you go for a Canon A510. I have one and I think it offers great quality and unbeatable features for a surprisingly low price. A520 is NOT worth the extra $$$!
Avalon - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
In Soviet Russia, AGP 8x owns you!JarredWalton - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
#4 - Right you are! And anyone that tries to convince you that AGP 8X is substantially faster than AGP 4X should take a look at these benchmarks. AGP 8X offers more theoretical bandwidth, but it's almost never used.RadeonGuy - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
on the second page where it lists the specsshouldnt the AGP be 4x not 8x since its the 855g
shipset
flatblastard - Monday, March 28, 2005 - link
damn second posters... :)