The 64 Core Threadripper 3990X CPU Review: In The Midst Of Chaos, AMD Seeks Opportunity
by Dr. Ian Cutress & Gavin Bonshor on February 7, 2020 9:00 AM ESTAMD 3990X Against Prosumer CPUs
The first set of consumers that will be interested in this processor will be those looking to upgrade into the best consumer/prosumer HEDT package available on the market. The $3990 price is a high barrier to entry, but these users and individuals can likely amortize the cost of the processor over its lifetime. To that end, we’ve selected a number of standard HEDT processors that are near in terms of price/core count, as well as putting in the 8-core 5.0 GHz Core i9-9900KS and the 28-core unlocked Xeon W-3175X.
AMD 3990X Consumer Competition | ||||||
AnandTech | AMD 3990X |
AMD 3970X |
Intel 3175X |
Intel i9- 10980XE |
AMD 3950X |
Intel 9900KS |
SEP | $3990 | $1999 | $2999 | $979 | $749 | $513 |
Cores/T | 64/128 | 32/64 | 28/56 | 18/36 | 16/32 | 8/16 |
Base Freq | 2900 | 3700 | 3100 | 3000 | 3500 | 5000 |
Turbo Freq | 4300 | 4500 | 4300 | 4800 | 4700 | 5000 |
PCIe | 4.0 x64 | 4.0 x64 | 3.0 x48 | 3.0 x48 | 4.0 x24 | 3.0 x16 |
DDR | 4x 3200 | 4x 3200 | 6x 2666 | 4x 2933 | 2x 3200 | 2x 2666 |
Max DDR | 512 GB | 512 GB | 512 GB | 256 GB | 128 GB | 128 GB |
TDP | 280 W | 280 W | 255 W | 165 W | 105 W | 127 W |
The 3990X is beyond anything in price at this level, and even at the highest consumer cost systems, $1000 could be the difference between getting two or three GPUs in a system. There has to be big upsides here moving from the 32 core to the 64 core.
Corona is a classic 'more threads means more performance' benchmark, and while the 3990X doesn't quite get perfect scaling over the 32 core, it is almost there.
The 3990X scores new records in our Blender test, with sizeable speed-ups against the other TR3 hardware.
Photoscan is a variable threaded test, and the AMD CPUs still win here, although 24 core up to 64 core all perform within about a minute of each other in this 20 minute test. Intel's best consumer hardware is a few minutes behind.
y-cruncher is an AVX-512 accelerated test, and so Intel's 28-core with AVX-512 wins here. Interestingly the 128 cores of the 3990X get in the way here, likely the spawn time of so many threads is adding to the overall time.
GIMP is a single threaded test designed around opening the program, and Intel's 5.0 GHz chip is the best here. the 64 core hardware isn't that bad here, although the W10 Enterprise data has the better result.
Without any hand tuned code, between 32 core and 64 core workloads on 3DPM, there's actually a slight deficit on 64 core.
But when we crank in the hand tuned code, the AVX-512 CPUs storm ahead by a considerable margin.
We covered Digicortex on the last page, but it seems that the different thread groups on W10 Pro is holidng the 3990X back a lot. With SMT disabled, we score nearer 3x here.
Luxmark is an AVX2 accelerated program, and having more cores here helps. But we see little gain from 32C to 64C.
As we saw on the last page, POV-Ray preferred having SMT off for the 3990X, otherwise there's no benefit over the 32-core CPU.
AES gets a slight bump over the 32 core, however not as much as the 2x price difference would have you believe.
As we saw on the previous page, W10 Enterprise causes our Handbrake test to go way up, but on W10 Pro then the 3990X loses ground to the 3950X.
And how about a simple game test - we know 64 cores is overkill for games, so here's a CPU bount test. There's not a lot in it between the 3990X and the 3970X, but Intel's high frequency CPUs are the best here.
Verdict
There are a lot of situations where the jump from AMD's 32-core $1999 CPU, the 3970X, up to the 64-core $3990 CPU only gives the smallest tangible gain. That doesn't bode well. The benchmarks that do get the biggest gains however can get near perfect scaling, making the 3990X a fantastic upgrade. However those tests are few and far between. If these were the options, the smart money is on the 3970X, unless you can be absolutely clear that the software you run can benefit from the extra cores.
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Reflex - Saturday, February 8, 2020 - link
That's not really the main bottleneck these days, I can fully saturate all 8 cores/16 threads on my existing Ryzen with jobs in Handbrake. That means the CPU is still the main bottleneck. That still seems to be the case even at 64/128, so again it's not I/O or disk although those do need improvement for other tasks.PCIe 5 is on the way and will help. Faster forms of storage memory are coming, Optane and so on even if its happening in fits and starts. Intel and AMD don't own that, and can only take responsibility for the parts they do own, primarily the CPU and chipset, and both are doing well there (especially AMD lately).
HStewart - Sunday, February 9, 2020 - link
Still even with PCIe 5, I believe the application has single access to storage device.Handbrake is pure example of this one you missing the IO of reading the Optical drive in that case.
A simple search on Internet including Handbreak forums shows that Handle does not handle more 6 cores correctly.
Reflex - Sunday, February 9, 2020 - link
Uh, again I'm saturating all 8 cores and 16 threads. I have friends using Threadrippers to saturate far more cores than that. Handbrake goes beyond six cores easily.And who gives a damn about the IO of an optical drive? Who is using optical drives for this type of work? Do you even know how this software works and what its for? I'm working on large encoded files sitting on SSD's and encoding them in a target format. There is literally no I/O bottleneck there, most of the work is on the CPU, not the drive itself where I simply need to be able to read the start state and write the results as fast as the CPU can do the encoding.
Seriously, there are a ton of workloads that aren't I/O limited, in fact most are not.
Korguz - Monday, February 10, 2020 - link
reflex.. just give up.. hstewart will keep trying to argue his point has being right, while not having any tangible proof other then his own words.HStewart - Saturday, February 8, 2020 - link
This question is not in specific response to this cpu - but in general when more cores are added to system.Korguz - Saturday, February 8, 2020 - link
so that would also include intel systems, right ? hstewart ?Xyler94 - Monday, February 10, 2020 - link
No, Intel has the ultra super special *Insert random CPU extension* that mitigates any and all bad from adding more cores. Gosh, can't you tell?DannyH246 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
So a 4k chip absolutely obliterates 20k's worth of chips from Intel, yet apparently it's overpriced. LOLOLOL Intel and their fanboys are funny.dwade123 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
This tard is a good example of what a blind fanboy looks like. Only hyping and not buying, whereas actual potential TR buyers got priced out of the game by AMD. X399 owners are forced to migrate to peasant AM4 due to high prices lolIrata - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
It appears you made a typo when you tried to post on wccftech.