The 64 Core Threadripper 3990X CPU Review: In The Midst Of Chaos, AMD Seeks Opportunity
by Dr. Ian Cutress & Gavin Bonshor on February 7, 2020 9:00 AM ESTAMD 3990X Against Prosumer CPUs
The first set of consumers that will be interested in this processor will be those looking to upgrade into the best consumer/prosumer HEDT package available on the market. The $3990 price is a high barrier to entry, but these users and individuals can likely amortize the cost of the processor over its lifetime. To that end, we’ve selected a number of standard HEDT processors that are near in terms of price/core count, as well as putting in the 8-core 5.0 GHz Core i9-9900KS and the 28-core unlocked Xeon W-3175X.
AMD 3990X Consumer Competition | ||||||
AnandTech | AMD 3990X |
AMD 3970X |
Intel 3175X |
Intel i9- 10980XE |
AMD 3950X |
Intel 9900KS |
SEP | $3990 | $1999 | $2999 | $979 | $749 | $513 |
Cores/T | 64/128 | 32/64 | 28/56 | 18/36 | 16/32 | 8/16 |
Base Freq | 2900 | 3700 | 3100 | 3000 | 3500 | 5000 |
Turbo Freq | 4300 | 4500 | 4300 | 4800 | 4700 | 5000 |
PCIe | 4.0 x64 | 4.0 x64 | 3.0 x48 | 3.0 x48 | 4.0 x24 | 3.0 x16 |
DDR | 4x 3200 | 4x 3200 | 6x 2666 | 4x 2933 | 2x 3200 | 2x 2666 |
Max DDR | 512 GB | 512 GB | 512 GB | 256 GB | 128 GB | 128 GB |
TDP | 280 W | 280 W | 255 W | 165 W | 105 W | 127 W |
The 3990X is beyond anything in price at this level, and even at the highest consumer cost systems, $1000 could be the difference between getting two or three GPUs in a system. There has to be big upsides here moving from the 32 core to the 64 core.
Corona is a classic 'more threads means more performance' benchmark, and while the 3990X doesn't quite get perfect scaling over the 32 core, it is almost there.
The 3990X scores new records in our Blender test, with sizeable speed-ups against the other TR3 hardware.
Photoscan is a variable threaded test, and the AMD CPUs still win here, although 24 core up to 64 core all perform within about a minute of each other in this 20 minute test. Intel's best consumer hardware is a few minutes behind.
y-cruncher is an AVX-512 accelerated test, and so Intel's 28-core with AVX-512 wins here. Interestingly the 128 cores of the 3990X get in the way here, likely the spawn time of so many threads is adding to the overall time.
GIMP is a single threaded test designed around opening the program, and Intel's 5.0 GHz chip is the best here. the 64 core hardware isn't that bad here, although the W10 Enterprise data has the better result.
Without any hand tuned code, between 32 core and 64 core workloads on 3DPM, there's actually a slight deficit on 64 core.
But when we crank in the hand tuned code, the AVX-512 CPUs storm ahead by a considerable margin.
We covered Digicortex on the last page, but it seems that the different thread groups on W10 Pro is holidng the 3990X back a lot. With SMT disabled, we score nearer 3x here.
Luxmark is an AVX2 accelerated program, and having more cores here helps. But we see little gain from 32C to 64C.
As we saw on the last page, POV-Ray preferred having SMT off for the 3990X, otherwise there's no benefit over the 32-core CPU.
AES gets a slight bump over the 32 core, however not as much as the 2x price difference would have you believe.
As we saw on the previous page, W10 Enterprise causes our Handbrake test to go way up, but on W10 Pro then the 3990X loses ground to the 3950X.
And how about a simple game test - we know 64 cores is overkill for games, so here's a CPU bount test. There's not a lot in it between the 3990X and the 3970X, but Intel's high frequency CPUs are the best here.
Verdict
There are a lot of situations where the jump from AMD's 32-core $1999 CPU, the 3970X, up to the 64-core $3990 CPU only gives the smallest tangible gain. That doesn't bode well. The benchmarks that do get the biggest gains however can get near perfect scaling, making the 3990X a fantastic upgrade. However those tests are few and far between. If these were the options, the smart money is on the 3970X, unless you can be absolutely clear that the software you run can benefit from the extra cores.
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extide - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
"All the Threadripper 3000 family CPUs support a total of 64 PCIe 4.0 lanes from the CPU, and another 24 from the chipset (however each of these use four of them to communicate with each other)."I thought they bumped the CPU <--> Chipset connection up to 8 lanes on this platform. Is that a typo or am I confused?
Slash3 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
You are correct.Valantar - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Great review, love the broad perspective and testing across different OSes! An error though: "All the Threadripper 3000 family CPUs support a total of 64 PCIe 4.0 lanes from the CPU, and another 24 from the chipset (however each of these use four of them to communicate with each other" - this is wrong for TRX40; the CPU and chipset both have 8 PCIe lanes dedicated to communication that do not count in the total. Source: https://www.anandtech.com/show/15121/the-amd-trx40...dwade123 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Terrible performance scaling from 32 cores to 64 cores. Even prosumers won’t benefit much from that many cores. And the price tag... Ouch. 3000 series will be the worse selling Threadripper easily.RSAUser - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Scaling looks pretty good, take the clock speed difference into account and a little bit extra fo thread spawning and control, and it looks like a good 80%+ scaling for most multi threaded tasks.FunBunny2 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
" games have not included software renderers for ~two decades."clearly, only those with embarrassingly parallel problems will benefit from these sorts of chips. and, by embarrassingly parallel one means intra-application, and not just lots o innterWeb sessions.
FunBunny2 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
oops. not the right quote: "3000 series will be the worse selling Threadripper easily."Kjella - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
Obviously this particular processor is a low volume product, but they needed a workstation platform between AM4 and Epyc and since it's a halo product of a server chip it probably didn't cost AMD much to add it to the lineup. The biggest clue is probably that there's no 3980X, they're not fleshing out the lineup just making one extreme processor for bragging rights.But I wouldn't underestimate the number of people who can say "You're paying me >$100k/year to do this, if I'm 5% more efficient with a $4k processor it's worth it". They exist even though they're obviously not a mass market it's not just to showboat. That's on top of the PR value.
FunBunny2 - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
"You're paying me >$100k/year to do this,"at some point even the self-absorbed CEO class will realize that lots of those folks are engaged in non-producing overhead tasks. somethings are just not worth the costs saved.
monkeydelmagico - Friday, February 7, 2020 - link
I think it's really cool that Ian got to set the price on this chip. Kudos.