Immense AI, Camera and ISP Upgrades

New Hexagon 695 DSP: 4x Performance On New Tensor Cores - 15 TOPs Total on SoC

The Snapdragon 865 now ships with the new Hexagon 695 DSP block. The single biggest improvement of the new design is a massive quadrupling of the processing power of the dedicated tensor cores. This jump alone is able to double the SoC’s aggregate AI processing ability up from 7 TOPs to 15 TOPs.

Qualcomm here still doesn’t properly do a breakdown between the IP blocks which contribute to this number, but given that the GPU only saw a ~20% increase, and that the Hexagon’s scalar and vector execution units this year have remained the same in terms of performance, we estimate that the tensor units now roughly come in at around 10TOPs by themselves.

Qualcomm has also now included lossless weight and activation compression for the Tensor cores, being able to reduce bandwidth consumption up to 50%. This is a similar feature we've seen advertised by third-party NPU IP offerings, only that Qualcomm is going to be shipping this now in a product in just a few months.

Power efficiency of the block is also have said to have improved by 35%, making computations less costly in terms of battery life.

Qualcomm talks how about its inference performance and inference power efficiency is significantly higher than competing solutions. We don't know the comparison SoCs being showcased here, but a likely candidates here are the Apple A13 and the Kirin 990? It could also be an Exynos or other SoC.

New Spectra CV-480 ISP: 2 Gigapixels/s Enabling Massive Sensors

Aside from its 5G abilities, it’s very much evident that camera is very much at the very centre of the Snapdragon 865’s new features. The whole camera subsystem has seen some massive upgrades in the IP, and amongst the biggest improvements in capability lies in the new Spectra 480 computer-vision ISP.

The new IP has seen a major architectural change in that it’s now able to process 4 pixels per clock instead of just only 1 PPC as in the previous generation. This has now massively upgraded the pixel processing throughput to 2 Gigapixels/second, allowing the SoC a wide variety of use-cases that in the past simply weren’t possible due to lack of raw power.

Starting off with video capture, the new SoC is able to now record in 4K HDR while simultaneously capturing up to 64MP still shots at the same time. But 4K video isn’t the limit anymore – and you even can say that in terms of framerate as now 4K120 recording is supported, but the Snapdragon 865 now supports 8K30 video recording.

Video recording quality continues to support all the features we’ve seen in the previous generation, meaning 10-bit and various HDR standards such as HLG, HDR10, HDR10+, but now the new SoC expands this even further with the introduction of the ability to do live recording in the Dolby Vision HDR standard. Qualcomm explains that the Snapdragon 865 not only is the first smartphone SoC to be able to do this, but it’s the first camera platform of any kind in the world, as usual Dolby Vision content right now is enabled post-capture in the editing room, rather being something that’s being natively recorded by a camera.

The new improved capabilities of the ISP and video encoder also erase some current recording limitations, for example, slow-motion video recording at 960fps is sustained indefinitely instead of being limited to a couple of seconds of real-time footage.

Although normally I wouldn’t have brought this up, MediaTek’s recent release of the Dimensity 1000 did recently popularise the discussion topic: No, the Snapdragon 865 doesn’t support the AV1 codec for video decoding. It looks like we’ll have to wait for the next generation for that.

In terms of still capture photography, the new ISP performance will now allow for support for sensors of up to 200MP, which actually don’t yet exist as Samsung’s recent 108MP behemoth is currently the largest of its class right now.

The new ISP now has various new functionalities in order to improve noise reduction and contrast enhancements. Particularly the new noise reduction features is said to be quite difficult to achieve.

Although Qualcomm advertises the 200MP figure predominantly, it’s to be noted that actual capture with zero shutter lag (ZSL) is limited to 64MP – so there is a rather larger compromise in capturing at resolutions beyond 64MP.

High Refresh Rate Displays Normalised: Support For 144Hz

Already some vendors are leading the pack in 2019, but we’re expecting 2020 to see wide-range adoption of high refresh-rate displays. Even more importantly, we’ll be seeing implementations at high resolutions higher than 90 and 120Hz, supporting up to 144Hz displays. Qualcomm explains that the barrier that’s been lifted here is the SoC’s Display Processing Unit (DPU) that has had its throughput significantly increased.

I asked the company about the impact on battery life and which component of a phone accounts for the highest power increases. Surprisingly, it’s not any one component, with most of them seeing pretty much just an evenly distributed linear increase in power requirements, with the actual display panel itself (excluding the DDIC), seeing actually the least increases in power draw.

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  • Kabm - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link

    if single core benchmark is the best then Samsung didn't need to cancel their M cores! Reply
  • tuxRoller - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link

    That wasn't the entirety of the issue. The M cores used more power and had difficulty actually keeping the ports busy. The later is why, in practice, despite a very wide core it doesn't perform much, if any, better than the analogous cortex a. Reply
  • id4andrei - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link

    No, GB is not a good bench. Anandtech proved it with the S9 Exynos review. GB showed Exynos high and mighty. In reality it was below SD845 which had lower GB numbers than Exynos. Reply
  • Kabm - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link

    Apple always have more room for chip because they don't have intergrated modem. When test Apple chips battery usage, be sure to use 4G, 5G test. Reply
  • generalako - Thursday, December 5, 2019 - link

    Well, yeah. 25% IPC is pretty healthy, seing as A12's IPC was what, 13%? Also the big closing of gap that the A76 and SD855 did, has remained -- or rather, ever so slightly decreased. It's pretty clear by now that Apple is reaching a stagnation point in CPU architecture, as seen in the modest increases of both A12 and A13. A14 will maybe see a bigger improvement in the big jump to 5nm, but I expect A78 to get the exact same advantage as well. Reply
  • Wardrive86 - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link

    Will current GPU drivers be updateable over play store (SD855,SD845, etc. based devices) or only 865/765 and newer based devices? Reply
  • Andrei Frumusanu - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link

    Only newer devices going forward. Reply
  • eek2121 - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link

    Wait, Zen 3 is supposed to be on 7nm EUV. I wonder if TSMC's capacity is simply outstripped by demand or if they really do have very little capacity. If the latter is true, it looks like AMD fans are in for a long wait...however, I doubt that is the case. Reply
  • generalako - Monday, December 9, 2019 - link

    Zen 3 is put in later part of 2020, unlike, SD,865, by which time EUV is available in larger quantities. Also Zen CPUs don't sell in nearly as large numbers as SD flagship SOCs... Reply
  • DustCounter - Wednesday, December 4, 2019 - link

    Does the SD765/G DPU "natively" support 120hz? Since the Xiaomi Redmi K30 rumors says that it has 120hz and confirmed SD765G Reply

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